Fletcher to stay or go(managerial position)

[with menace]

Fletch is the fifth favourite to be the new manager at Bournemouth at 14-1 behind Eddie Howe, Steve Cotterill, Gary Johnson and Glen Hoddle.

Keep it dark but arry's a nailed on :shh:

 

[bandwagon]

ive backed fletch all the way through, ive got angry about the negativity from fans , but the time has come for a change , fletch did a great job keeping us in the league and i will be greatfull for that for ever ,but he's taken us as far as he can and its time for an experienced manager to take us forward .
sorry fletch

This is the sea of change finally dawning on the green tints. Lets just hope it isn't too late.
People will start to vote with their feet if action isn't taken.

Didn't go yesterday but seen home games bar Gas - not impressed with any of what I saw, naive at best. The strange thing is the gates just seem to hold up - or are they being massaged?

were?

Up the box office!!

 

[Ollieargyle9]

ive backed fletch all the way through, ive got angry about the negativity from fans , but the time has come for a change , fletch did a great job keeping us in the league and i will be greatfull for that for ever ,but he's taken us as far as he can and its time for an experienced manager to take us forward .
sorry fletch

This is the sea of change finally dawning on the green tints. Lets just hope it isn't too late.
People will start to vote with their feet if action isn't taken.

Didn't go yesterday but seen home games bar Gas - not impressed with any of what I saw, naive at best. The strange thing is the gates just seem to hold up - or are they being massaged?

I very much doubt the gate are being massaged unless Argyle fancy a nice little chat with HMRC...

Not a sea of change, I think its still too early to be letting Fletch go, too many questions left unanswered for me on Fletch's ability to do his job and I hope that he is given the chance to answer them before he is let go. My only hope is that JB has a little more patience than some on here who would have seen Fletch sacked after game 1 if they had their way...

 

[oke buoy]

does anybody think fletch would be willing to take a step back a la terry skiverton at yeovil, and become number 2?

 

[jespafc]

Thinking about this again today I maintain my stance. Fletch should be given more time. Even though results have been poor at times I still don't think come Xmas we'll be stranded at the bottom of this division. In fact, I think we'll be somewhere between mid table and where we are now.

IF by Jan we're in the bottom four then I would say that Brent needs to consider a change, but until that point I think the panic has to stop and we need to stop falling into the trap of thinking that a new manager is the only solution.

Fletch still hasn't been able to put out a settled first team.

 

[djg145]

Every member should vote!!

 

[Deacster]

does anybody think fletch would be willing to take a step back a la terry skiverton at yeovil, and become number 2?

Interesting. Could be the answer and a compromise, could we persuade John Deehan back in some capacity?

 

[GreenSam]

If we were gonna bring in a manager to work above Fletch (which I couldn't see, I think he'd leave the club but say we did) then Deehan wouldn't be top of my list. Yes, results sort of, kind of improved when he came here but I think the fact that his arrival coincided with the additions of Purse, Blanchard and Wotton, a proper defensive stopper in midfield had a lot more to do with it.

Look at Deehan's track record before PAFC. It's as dismal looking as a long wet weekend in Scunthorpe.

 

[esmer]

I think Carl Fletcher has the makings of an excellent manager. We were near to extinction and recovery will take time and quality football teams are not built overnight but Fletcher is on the right lines, developing a team playing proper, passing football and given time and support, which I am sure he will get (James Brent doesn't strike me as a person who loses his nerve), he will succeed.

It's disappointing, although sadly understandable, that so many posters are unable to deal with a couple of poor results.

 

[Tugboat]

I think Carl Fletcher has the makings of an excellent manager. We were near to extinction and recovery will take time and quality football teams are not built overnight but Fletcher is on the right lines, developing a team playing proper, passing football and given time and support, which I am sure he will get (James Brent doesn't strike me as a person who loses his nerve), he will succeed.

It's disappointing, although sadly understandable, that so many posters are unable to deal with a couple of poor results.

I appreciate your pro Fletch and he does have some attributes but you say it's disappointing calling for his head after "a couple of poor results"?

From taking over to present day have a look at the stats. Whilst I take into consideration that the back end of last season wasn't his team and fully appreciate the circumstances he was doing his job in I'm willing to look at start of preseason to present day.

He's had his time and I'm not willing to go through another dire, disspointing, under performing relegation scrap dressed up in 'young hungry manager trying our his vision' bollocks.

I want it done the right way. Something that's not been done for over 5 years.

Get this fudging club back up on its feet and lets starting having some bollocks for getting results. Failure is still accepted at home park and until someone gets in with a firm head and shakes this club from head to toe we aren't going anywhere.

It starts by the sacking of Fletch and Romain.

 

[esmer]

I think Carl Fletcher has the makings of an excellent manager. We were near to extinction and recovery will take time and quality football teams are not built overnight but Fletcher is on the right lines, developing a team playing proper, passing football and given time and support, which I am sure he will get (James Brent doesn't strike me as a person who loses his nerve), he will succeed.

It's disappointing, although sadly understandable, that so many posters are unable to deal with a couple of poor results.

I appreciate your pro Fletch and he does have some attributes but you say it's disappointing calling for his head after "a couple of poor results"?

From taking over to present day have a look at the stats. Whilst I take into consideration that the back end of last season wasn't his team and fully appreciate the circumstances he was doing his job in I'm willing to look at start of preseason to present day.

He's had his time and I'm not willing to go through another dire, disspointing, under performing relegation scrap dressed up in 'young hungry manager trying our his vision' bollocks.

I want it done the right way. Something that's not been done for over 5 years.

Get this flipping club back up on its feet and lets starting having some bollocks for getting results. Failure is still accepted at home park and until someone gets in with a firm head and shakes this club from head to toe we aren't going anywhere.

It starts by the sacking of Fletch and Romain.

I'm sorry but it starts with the backing of Fletcher and his staff. Hiring and firing managers is rarely the answer as has proved to be the case at this club over the decades. Fletcher's achievement last season in keeping us in the league from the position from which he stared was immense, he now has a different, more difficult challenge in building a team playing good, passing football capable of moving up the leagues. I find the early signs very encouraging and I am gratified he, and the owner, are committed to playing football in the right manner. It's far too early to give up on him yet. It goes without saying we need more quality in the squad and I think that is an area where the inexperience at the club (not just the manager) has shown but I'm sure they have the intelligence to realise that and learn. Two or three quality additions to the squad along with the development of the younger players and the team generally will see a massive improvement in results. All it takes is time and patience.

 

[Taxman Dave]

Stay, and because I've already put another post relevant to this discussion I'll just quote myself.

Everyone was a rookie sometime, and every rookie needs time... is what I keep telling myself. As long as we're not relegated or in a relegation dogfight I think Fletch should be afforded the luxury of some time, including a few losses, to learn the trade.

Finally someone talking sense on Pasoti...had to re-read it just to make sure!

 

[Kevin Dacombe]

I said stay, now the reasons for this will probably be laughed at but I was looking back at the managerial history of Plymouth Argyle. The last manager to stay for more than four years was Tony Waiters in the 70's and since then only Sturrock and Dave Smith have been here for four years. What this club needs after so much turmoil over the last few years is some continuity, not more chopping and changing. I would argue that so much changing of managers in our post war history has not helped us at all. For that reason I would keep Fletcher on.

 

[jerryatricjanner]

I think Carl Fletcher has the makings of an excellent manager. We were near to extinction and recovery will take time and quality football teams are not built overnight but Fletcher is on the right lines, developing a team playing proper, passing football and given time and support, which I am sure he will get (James Brent doesn't strike me as a person who loses his nerve), he will succeed.

It's disappointing, although sadly understandable, that so many posters are unable to deal with a couple of poor results.

I appreciate your pro Fletch and he does have some attributes but you say it's disappointing calling for his head after "a couple of poor results"?

From taking over to present day have a look at the stats. Whilst I take into consideration that the back end of last season wasn't his team and fully appreciate the circumstances he was doing his job in I'm willing to look at start of preseason to present day.

He's had his time and I'm not willing to go through another dire, disspointing, under performing relegation scrap dressed up in 'young hungry manager trying our his vision' bollocks.

I want it done the right way. Something that's not been done for over 5 years.

Get this flipping club back up on its feet and lets starting having some bollocks for getting results. Failure is still accepted at home park and until someone gets in with a firm head and shakes this club from head to toe we aren't going anywhere.

It starts by the sacking of Fletch and Romain.

I'm sorry but it starts with the backing of Fletcher and his staff. Hiring and firing managers is rarely the answer as has proved to be the case at this club over the decades. Fletcher's achievement last season in keeping us in the league from the position from which he stared was immense, he now has a different, more difficult challenge in building a team playing good, passing football capable of moving up the leagues. I find the early signs very encouraging and I am gratified he, and the owner, are committed to playing football in the right manner. It's far too early to give up on him yet. It goes without saying we need more quality in the squad and I think that is an area where the inexperience at the club (not just the manager) has shown but I'm sure they have the intelligence to realise that and learn. Two or three quality additions to the squad along with the development of the younger players and the team generally will see a massive improvement in results. All it takes is time and patience.

I agree with most of what you say Esmer but you say at the end that 2 or 3 quality additions and generally we will see a massive improvement in results. This is what 99% of the fanbase was saying at the end of last season, 2 or 3 quality additions in key areas, 2 up front and 1 in midfield. Five months later and we are still saying the same. A surfeit of lightweight wingers, a surfeit of mediocre strikers, an unnecessary 3rd goalkeeper signed and no sign of these key additions. That is what frustrates me personally. Griffiths might still come off, Madjo has only played more than 15 games for 1 of his multitude of clubs in his 8 year career and that was only 26 games so there is obviously a problem with him other than his football ability and turning up an hour late twice already for us says it all. Lowry is another gamble, not wanted by Chesterfield or anyone else due to being injury prone and has not kicked a ball in anger for 2 months to date. I just think we could have saved a lot of money with Gorman, Guttieri, Gilmartin, Lennox and the like and signed one penetrating specialist winger who would have been a week in week out pick for the first team and a key midfielder or striker instead. I want Fletcher to turn it round but a loss at Barnet and the fans will really start to turn. I think we should at least give him 20 to 23 games as we are still unlikely to be one of the worst 2 teams and get relegated but if things are getting no better a new man has to come in with time to prune the squad, add some quality in January and build for next season.

 

[esmer]

I think Carl Fletcher has the makings of an excellent manager. We were near to extinction and recovery will take time and quality football teams are not built overnight but Fletcher is on the right lines, developing a team playing proper, passing football and given time and support, which I am sure he will get (James Brent doesn't strike me as a person who loses his nerve), he will succeed.

It's disappointing, although sadly understandable, that so many posters are unable to deal with a couple of poor results.

I appreciate your pro Fletch and he does have some attributes but you say it's disappointing calling for his head after "a couple of poor results"?

From taking over to present day have a look at the stats. Whilst I take into consideration that the back end of last season wasn't his team and fully appreciate the circumstances he was doing his job in I'm willing to look at start of preseason to present day.

He's had his time and I'm not willing to go through another dire, disspointing, under performing relegation scrap dressed up in 'young hungry manager trying our his vision' bollocks.

I want it done the right way. Something that's not been done for over 5 years.

Get this flipping club back up on its feet and lets starting having some bollocks for getting results. Failure is still accepted at home park and until someone gets in with a firm head and shakes this club from head to toe we aren't going anywhere.

It starts by the sacking of Fletch and Romain.

I'm sorry but it starts with the backing of Fletcher and his staff. Hiring and firing managers is rarely the answer as has proved to be the case at this club over the decades. Fletcher's achievement last season in keeping us in the league from the position from which he stared was immense, he now has a different, more difficult challenge in building a team playing good, passing football capable of moving up the leagues. I find the early signs very encouraging and I am gratified he, and the owner, are committed to playing football in the right manner. It's far too early to give up on him yet. It goes without saying we need more quality in the squad and I think that is an area where the inexperience at the club (not just the manager) has shown but I'm sure they have the intelligence to realise that and learn. Two or three quality additions to the squad along with the development of the younger players and the team generally will see a massive improvement in results. All it takes is time and patience.

I agree with most of what you say Esmer but you say at the end that 2 or 3 quality additions and generally we will see a massive improvement in results. This is what 99% of the fanbase was saying at the end of last season, 2 or 3 quality additions in key areas, 2 up front and 1 in midfield. Five months later and we are still saying the same. A surfeit of lightweight wingers, a surfeit of mediocre strikers, an unnecessary 3rd goalkeeper signed and no sign of these key additions. That is what frustrates me personally. Griffiths might still come off, Madjo has only played more than 15 games for 1 of his multitude of clubs in his 8 year career and that was only 26 games so there is obviously a problem with him other than his football ability and turning up an hour late twice already for us says it all. Lowry is another gamble, not wanted by Chesterfield or anyone else due to being injury prone and has not kicked a ball in anger for 2 months to date. I just think we could have saved a lot of money with Gorman, Guttieri, Gilmartin, Lennox and the like and signed one penetrating specialist winger who would have been a week in week out pick for the first team and a key midfielder or striker instead. I want Fletcher to turn it round but a loss at Barnet and the fans will really start to turn. I think we should at least give him 20 to 23 games as we are still unlikely to be one of the worst 2 teams and get relegated but if things are getting no better a new man has to come in with time to prune the squad, add some quality in January and build for next season.

I'm in full agreement that player recruitment is an area were improvement is needed but all the blame must not be laid at Fletcher's door, we have an inexperienced board and an inexperienced Chief Executive who would be heavily involved with the process. However, I see no benefit in playing the blame game, those within the club who have responsibility in this area (including Carl Fletcher) need to learn from their past performance and up their game.