England and Argyle . Twins .....

[Deacster]

My balanced and honest view on Gareth Southgate is that his original brief was to overachieve with the squad at his disposal, and to his credit he did that in Russia in 2018. But as the squad has improved, he hasn’t adapted. He was the right man when we were somewhat of an underdog, but he isn’t the right man now that we’ve got arguably the best squad in the world.

That's how I see it. I'm not anti Southgate, after Roy Hodgsons awful stint as manager and Big Sam's debacle he was just what we needed at the time and has done a good job on the whole.
He's just lacked that conviction and killer instinct needed to get a trophy in the cabinet. The Italy and Croatia games proved that.

 

[memory man]

A touch sensitive about an emoji? Sort of thing a teenager would do.

I care about the club, have supported religiously for 35 years or so, don’t see how I’m driving the club down by questioning a complete u turn in our playing philosophy as well as behind the scenes preparation to fit in with “the England way”. Still, you carry on oblivious to it criticising anyone who doesn’t tow the party line

I didn't like your eye-rolls either. Just because someone doesn't share the same view as you doesn't mean they deserve that. I cannot see how it is a question of towing any party-line. It is just a different outlook.

 

[WoodsyGreen]

Clough .. a genius.
Watching this cracked me up and strongly hints at why he , sadly, never got the England job. He said exactly what he thought ! He is the polar opposite to boring in this interview with Brian Moore

BRIAN CLOUGH BEING INTERVIEWED BY BRIAN MOORE- BRIAN BEING TYPICALLY FORTHRIGHT AND OUTSPOKEN

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I love Brian Clough but he's clearly off his face in that interview

 

[Quintrell Green]

wasn't that Brian Clough who called him a clown

Wasn't that the match where Poland scored an equaliser because Argyle's ex-Manager, the much vaunted at the time England keeper Peter Shilton, was particularly slow to get down to a ground shot in the penalty area to his left? There was a degree of irony in 'The Clown' playing out of his skin, yet the splendid England keeper letting his country down.

 

[memory man]

I love Brian Clough but he's clearly off his face in that interview

Indeed. Brian Moore was right to make that remark about double-standards too. Clough writing (or giving his name to) a column in the Sun when he so despised the owner was a bit like a socialist Minister of Education sending his child to a private school.

 

[Kernowgreen]

A touch sensitive about an emoji? Sort of thing a teenager would do.

I care about the club, have supported religiously for 35 years or so, don’t see how I’m driving the club down by questioning a complete u turn in our playing philosophy as well as behind the scenes preparation to fit in with “the England way”. Still, you carry on oblivious to it criticising anyone who doesn’t tow the party line

The point I am trying to make ( clearly badly ) is that I cannot see what you hope to change at this point by using an excuse to have a go at Foster. It has got more than boring and will not change anything. Your use of emojis in my view just looks silly . I have not doubted your historic support but I do question your apparent lack of focus now on supporting the team. I can see people seem to have ever more entrenched views on Foster and therefore in putting forward a view that some folks should put their current prejudice to one side and support the whole team, is possibly a complete waste of time.

 

[Green 1886]

The point I am trying to make ( clearly badly ) is that I cannot see what you hope to change at this point by using an excuse to have a go at Foster. It has got more than boring and will not change anything. Your use of emojis in my view just looks silly . I have not doubted your historic support but I do question your apparent lack of focus now on supporting the team. I can see people seem to have ever more entrenched views on Foster and therefore in putting forward a view that some folks should put their current prejudice to one side and support the whole team, is possibly a complete waste of time.

You don’t know me so you can not question my focus or support for the team. You’re confusing reality with an internet message forum.
I gave the team my 100% backing during the Preston game, and did not agree with the anti Foster chanting during the game (and said such on the post game synopsis threads). Still booed HIM at the end as his football is dire, his ripping up the blueprint of what got us where we are seems to have ripped apart morale and team spirit and if you can not see the similarities to his style of football and that of Southgate’s England you must be living in complete denial.

I said before the Preston game it was pivotal for him, we lost, had no attacking threat and he will take us down. I don’t want to see us whimpering away into relegation so want the club to make the change

 

[Green 1886]

I didn't like your eye-rolls either. Just because someone doesn't share the same view as you doesn't mean they deserve that. I cannot see how it is a question of towing any party-line. It is just a different outlook.

I don’t really care whether you like emojis or not. They are there, people can chose to use them or not. It’s hardly character deformation clicking an emoji, don’t be so sensitive.
I click a thumbs up if I agree or an eye roll if (in my opinion) someone is missing the point. If I’ve “eye rolled” more of your posts than “liked” I clearly have a different view to you. Don’t get your knickers in a twist about it, it’s nothing personal and I’m sure if you write something I agree with I’ll make your day with a thumb up

 

[Balham Green]

A question for someone who remembers, as I was born in the mid seventies. Why do you think we did so badly in that decade when we were so strong in club European football? Looking at the squads we didn't look weak. Freak circumstances?

Only 16 qualified and we had Italy in our group in 78.

 

[Kernowgreen]

You don’t know me so you can not question my focus or support for the team. You’re confusing reality with an internet message forum.
I gave the team my 100% backing during the Preston game, and did not agree with the anti Foster chanting during the game (and said such on the post game synopsis threads). Still booed HIM at the end as his football is dire, his ripping up the blueprint of what got us where we are seems to have ripped apart morale and team spirit and if you can not see the similarities to his style of football and that of Southgate’s England you must be living in complete denial.

I said before the Preston game it was pivotal for him, we lost, had no attacking threat and he will take us down. I don’t want to see us whimpering away into relegation so want the club to make the change

So this message forum is not reality ? So all the negativity is not reality ? As I said - waste of time.

 

[Green 1886]

There are none so blind as those who will not see

 

[Kernowgreen]

There are none so blind as those who will not see

I don`t want to perpetuate this exchange - any more insulting comments for me to round off ?

 

[Hexagon9]

A question for someone who remembers, as I was born in the mid seventies. Why do you think we did so badly in that decade when we were so strong in club European football? Looking at the squads we didn't look weak. Freak circumstances?

The fact that only 16 teams qualified meant that England were always going to get decent sides in their qualifying group. Italy in 1978 for example.

Another factor was that although English club sides were dominant in Europe, a seam of Irish and more particularly, Scottish players ran through the core of the better clubs. The Scotland side that qualified for the 1978 finals was arguably world-class but underachieved in the same way that England have.

 

[Frank Butcher]

I think Southgate deserves an awful lot of credit for what has happened off the field during his tenure. Clearly it’s not all down to him but the presentation, professionalism and set up has been transformational.

And that’s where I see his strength - perhaps defined in a DoF type role.

On the pitch, it’s a different story. Someone earlier talked of defensive limitations - and I agree. So, why when we have oodles of attacking talent do we insist on being so conservative? I don’t see much ability to influence ‘in game’ situations and we’ve had gery few big scalps unless you count a team in turmoil and the odd friendly.

He’s a decent man who doesn’t deserve some of the personal abuse he gets but I think he should stay with the England set up, move ‘upstairs’, and let someone else release the talent on the pitch.

 

[Railway sleeper]

I love Brian Clough but he's clearly off his face in that interview

Aye- it looks that way ?😀

Where have all the big characters gone in the modern game- the dave Smiths, ian Holloways, bill shanklys and brian cloughs ? 🤔