Blimey, now where have I heard that recently?
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Blimey, now where have I heard that recently?
England have had 19 Managers, Southgate comes 2nd in the win percentage over all games, he tends to experiment in friendlies, but has the most wins, and highest percentage, of any previous England manager, and has by far the best points per game ratio, in major qualifiers/tournaments of any England Manager; better even than Alf Ramsey. Statistically, Gareth Southgate is the best England Manager of all time; excluding friendly results, like yesterday.
We've qualified for every single European and World Cup that Southgate has been in charge and done well in all of them, finishing 4th (Kane missing a sitter at 1-0 in a 2-1 QF defeat after 2 late goals) and QF (missing out on extra time/pens against (No. 1 ranked) France when Kane missed a 2nd half pen) in the World Cup, and going down on pens in the final of his only Euro Cup so far.
What/who are you actually wanting to replace Southgate, and do a better job? ... who exactly have you got up your sleeve?
And in these qualifying rounds and group stages who have we come up against to make us such world greats?
What makes him better than Ramsey?
These are genuine questions but two more, what are the answers to the same question RE Ramsey?
My balanced and honest view on Gareth Southgate is that his original brief was to overachieve with the squad at his disposal, and to his credit he did that in Russia in 2018. But as the squad has improved, he hasn’t adapted. He was the right man when we were somewhat of an underdog, but he isn’t the right man now that we’ve got arguably the best squad in the world.
Yes realistic, unless you are in to yawn fest football which is what Foster and of course Southgate serve up with their negative "tactics"?
Many thousands of fans at Argyle and Millions of fans of England, can see what you are a dribble of others cannot see, that it is negative football, allowing the opposition to dominate games and stifle the attacking players, giving too much respect to "superior" teams, if that is how they think it should be then fair enough but for the vast majority of people they want to see football as it should be played, not on a classroom wipe board but on the grass going toe to toe with every single team, showing no respect because your team has a "big name", Brazil are the ultimate world champions and rightly so, teams like Leeds United have their history but they shouldn't be shown so much respect that you allow them to dominate whilst you pass sideways and backward all game and occasionally lob it forward in the hope that someone gets the ball to stick and starts and attack with a hopeful goal at the end of it.
The simple answer is that Southgate's England have qualified "top" of their group in EVERY tournament qualifying group while he's been England Manager; I think Ramsey's England failed to reach the World Cup Finals in 1974 ...
I reckon all England Managers pit their wits against pretty much the same nations, they can only beat what's put in front of them; Ramsey maybe has more wins over Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia than Southgate ... GS is good, but he's doesn't have that level of magic.
I have just had a look at the qualification round for the 1974 tournament..
THREE TEAMS
Wales 0 England 1
England 1 Wales 1
Wales 2 Poland 0
Poland 2 England 0
Poland 3 Wales 0
England 1 Poland 1
Just three teams in a qualification round unlike today where you have 6 7 or 8 so more chances plus back then it was 2 points for a win.
England finished second in that mini league losing out to Poland by a point.
I wasn't alive when this happened so I couldn't tell you how good either team was but I thought I would share this as I asked the question so found the answer
However we were one of the highest scoring teams in the league, we attacked teams regardless of the sideways passing, but Foster seems to want the ball passed back to whoever is in goal on a regular basis before it is hoofed down the pitch for it to be returned.
Some argue that we are facing some hard teams or have done, which is a fair point, but we had already played some of these teams already this season and gave them all a game barring Bristol City when Shuey decided to throw the game.
Percentage football will get you through group stages and qualifying, but you need a bit more when the margins are super fine in knockout stages against top sides. Maybe we can have a different manager for the squeaky bum games in the final stages
It is probably fair to say that England doesn’t seem to produce great coaches at the highest level (when was the last one???). Not quite a fair comparison but the almost overnight difference between Steven Gerrard’s Aston Villa side and Unai Emery’s was scary and shows what a really top coach can do. And whatever Emery or Guardiola or Klopp have, I don’t think it can be taught on a training course.
It is probably fair to say that England doesn’t seem to produce great coaches at the highest level (when was the last one???). Not quite a fair comparison but the almost overnight difference between Steven Gerrard’s Aston Villa side and Unai Emery’s was scary and shows what a really top coach can do. And whatever Emery or Guardiola or Klopp have, I don’t think it can be taught on a training course.
At the risk of repeating myself you are forgetting we lost “our engine room “ in January and failed miserably to replace Azaz and Cundle.
Hardie and Whittaker are being starved of any service and living off scraps
Cundle keeps getting mentioned as a big loss but he didn't have much influence in his last 10 games with us - six starts, four sub appearances, one goal and one assist (both in the same game) so not as big of a loss as Azaz.
Cundle's best period was earlier in the season between September and early October.
I was 6 years old, and not really zoned in at that age, but that was the famous qualifying group where Brian Clough referred to the Polish 'Keeper as a "Clown" ... England were massive favourites for that group ... Wales were very poor then, and Poland hadn't qualified for the World Cup since 1938, so weren't really fancied.I have just had a look at the qualification round for the 1974 tournament..
THREE TEAMS
Wales 0 England 1
England 1 Wales 1
Wales 2 Poland 0
Poland 2 England 0
Poland 3 Wales 0
England 1 Poland 1
Just three teams in a qualification round unlike today where you have 6 7 or 8 so more chances plus back then it was 2 points for a win.
England finished second in that mini league losing out to Poland by a point.
I wasn't alive when this happened so I couldn't tell you how good either team was but I thought I would share this as I asked the question so found the answer
Anyway, you're asking questions to stuff that's easy to google, so just check it out; Southgate's figure's stack up, and he's brought back a level of respect and decency to our national game that was at a shockingly low level, due largely to poor appointments, before he took on the role ... whether he's anyone's cup of tea doesn't really cut an argument against him, he's done pretty well.
I agree.
I liked Cundle but the way people talk about him you’d think he was our best player, when in reality he wasn’t a guaranteed starter nor was he a regular goalscorer.
Cundle was a loss but nowhere near as big of a loss as Azaz.
