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Derek Adams.

Yay or nay?

  • I still want him gone.

    Votes: 28 14.5%
  • Stay please Derek take us to the Championship.

    Votes: 165 85.5%

  • Total voters
    193
  • Poll closed .

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But we ARE playing good football as well as winning/getting good results. I don't understand how everyone can see that but you.

The starts are the issue, I think we all know that. The attacking play is linked into that, because we just haven't had the solid platform that we needed. It's weird, and we definitely need to have the proverbial 'root and branch' look into why we're starting so badly.

As for the winning and losing in batches... that does tend to happen as well (though obviously that's a result of the slow starts as well), but during Adams' reign it's generally worked out in the plus column. As the highest win percentage bar Sturrock MK1 tells you.
 
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It’s interesting that an opinion is asked for but negated because it doesn’t fit with the crowd or an individual.

Widely morose or ill conceived opinions are questionable OR a reasonable debate is always welcomed

In my opinion of course
 
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Fair enough to everyone who still wants him gone. I find that astonishing, but if you wanted him gone two months ago you should stick to your guns and still want him gone now :thumbup:

Again with Mickey though ( :lol: ), if I just read his posts I'd think we were a few evolution cycles behind a Tony Pulis team. That just simply isn't the case, because we play some damn good football with some damn skillful, ball-playing footballers put together with a pretty low budget.

The starts are the issue, but to have problems with the way we're playing NOW seems bizarre. Carey DID score the free-kick against Pompey, football is a game of unbelievably fine margins so you can't just construct an alternate reality on things that should have happened in your head.

All this coming from a guy who six weeks ago would pick up his toys on a Saturday night and say I’m not playing anymore, and log out :lol:

The reason you logged out is because however hard you try to defend him, and in some cases you couldn’t, the results and performances were simply not good enough. And it will happen again because as sure as a good run happens under Adams there is a bad one waiting around the corner.

The type of performances against Walsall and Bristol Rovers are the sort that also has seen us lose. The difference is currently we are getting goals from moments of individual brilliance. However, when those moments stop, Argyle will put in a performance like Saturday and lose because they simply can’t score. Like l said, as well as we did, if Carey didn’t pull out that wonderful free kick where was the goal coming from? Argyle didn’t make that Pompey keeper make a save again. Where as a Letheren had a lot more to do.

It’s true, as long as Argyle win. Nobody cares about how we play. I find it interesting that we as fans talk about how Wycombe play and we wouldn’t watch that. Yet don’t you think they are only thinking the same as many Argyle fans. Argyle fans deny it but look at some of the rubbish performances under Adams when he first started. I remember us getting battered in L2 at HP and people like yourself would say you can’t play pretty football all the time. The fact is in a number of those matches we just sat back, held on and hoped the opposition were unable to take the chances we presented to them.

I except your opinion is different and that’s just the way it is between us.
 

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I didn't say or do that. You really do talk a lot of rubbish.

You rarely... if ever... get any enjoyment from watching the current team under the current manager. And this is when we're performing superbly and right at the top of the form table.

I suggest you put yourself out of your misery and stop attending, if you think we're anything like Wycombe.
 
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"He's been absolutely brilliant this season"!!!!!!. r4h4al, I think you mean this YEAR. I'm with MGM on this .Up to Christmas the football was mostly negative, boring rubbish and all Adams could do was give unbelievable excuses for his inadequacies to stop the rot. We have improved over the last few games but are still not safe.How some fans can accept this mediocrity is beyond me
 
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Mediocrity? Fans like results, and as I pointed out Adams is the second most successful of our managers in the past 50 years when you look at points per game.

What I find amusing about this thread is that nearly all of the posts are negative whereas the vast majority of the votes are in favour of him staying.
 
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I've changed my mind from go to stay. Mostly for the old adage 'better the devil you know'. If he were to go any time soon it could mean back to square one with a new guy in charge.
 

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Indeed Abbotts Ann Green, Thus it always seems to be! ...which fits with my experience “on the terraces” ( & “ in the pub”. :D )...virtually everyone I know is, & always has been, “quietly” realistic & supportive of DA, laughing at all this “ Happy Clapper” “ Green Tint” nonsense.......such attempts at defining others of course only succeeds in defining one person....the user himself.

Of course I know well some folk who have or have long had more of a problem with DA, well-expressed & reasoned concerns......a pleasure to listen to & talk with such folk .......noticeably not using that “ spoilt child” rhetoric....” I WANT.....him gone ...or whatever “ I want” suits the “ stampy little feet” of the keyboard warriors.

It is not a feature peculiar to this board... the dissenting minority are often “louder” in disputes in many walks of life.
The rest of us just get on with life....too short to “stuff a mushroom” etc. Or indeed “ spend all one’s time second- guessing”.

I’m not deriding alternative views, just complementing your point, AAG.

All I really know is that I’m looking forward to Saturday & beforehand seeing folk in The Corn Dolly :scarf:
 
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Mediocrity? Fans like results, and as I pointed out Adams is the second most successful of our managers in the past 50 years when you look at points per game.

What I find amusing about this thread is that nearly all of the posts are negative whereas the vast majority of the votes are in favour of him staying.


A very simplistic stat of course!
 

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What I find amusing about this thread is that nearly all of the posts are negative whereas the vast majority of the votes are in favour of him staying.

I suspect that people with a positive view of DA keep quiet because the don’t want to be set upon. Green Tints, Happy Clapper, etc.
 
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I voted to go, but I'll the caveat that I'd want that to be at end of the season.

It took a long time to swing me to wanting him gone and a short upturn in form - which at the moment is still all it is - shouldn't make anyone knee jerk back.

I think it's unacceptable to write off the first half of two seasons in a row like we have, and the shambolic nature of some of our performances was incredible.

I fully accept and am glad we've played well recently. But I'd rather a smoother and more consistent ride than we've been having.
 
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I voted to go, but I'll the caveat that I'd want that to be at end of the season.

It took a long time to swing me to wanting him gone and a short upturn in form - which at the moment is still all it is - shouldn't make anyone knee jerk back.

I think it's unacceptable to write off the first half of two seasons in a row like we have, and the shambolic nature of some of our performances was incredible.

I fully accept and am glad we've played well recently. But I'd rather a smoother and more consistent ride than we've been having.
This for me.
 
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I find the ‘ayes’ very reasonable, the points are without doubt valid.
I commend the owners for sticking to their guns when so many clubs would have baulked at the first signof a down turn on the pitch, particularly when they are making such progress off the pitch with the construction and asset refurbishment.

I don’t warm to Adams, I don’t particularly like his coaching team. I don’t enjoy his football, albeit we’re all rather quiet while the team is winning. I don’t trust the manager and my research into his parting of the ways at his previous club is all I needed to know while the times are hard and he’s turning on the fans that pay his wage. I have my opinion, I respect others have theirs too
 
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I want him gone, but l know the board won’t sack him even if we go back to league two this season. I won’t call for him to be sacked it just how l feel about his management style.

Around Xmas time, which isn’t very long along many were saying DA’s time is up or that they even realised there were flaws within his tactics that he wasn’t addressing that became frustrating.

For me, the poll says take us to the championship. How can we sustain enough good form if you defend every season the same way. We back away and give opposition players time and space to pass, cross and shoot. Of course the argument is he got us promoted doing this. Yet my counter argument is the higher you go up in the leagues the better players use that time and space you aren’t pressing them to their advantage. I’ve not seen any change in our defensive style since he became manager to think he has or will address the problem.

He though are my concerns with him.....

- His after match comments where some of his comments are just delusional

- The way we start games. Waiting to see what the opposition do. Often wasting the first 45 mins of games not getting on the front foot

- His in lack of flexibility with one up front. Haven’t got a problem him playing it but either find people who can support the forward or find a formation where the striker isn’t as isolated from the rest of the team. This happens especially away. Which is why last season for example we were one of the lowest goal scoring teams away from home.

- Tackling. Simple. Stop letting people shadow mark on the edge of the box. Perfect example was Walsall at HP recently. Andy Cook we let compete and win the ball back in our area and then waltz around our penalty area whilst we watched before he finally drove a right footed shot into the net.

He is a streaky manager. Batches of wins come with batches of losses. Like l said before in another thread we have had winless streaks in our first two seasons which often couldn’t be halted.

I think we have decent players who excite us. We can play some good football. Yet l ask you if your honest if it wasn’t for Carey’s wonderful strike, where was the goal coming from on Saturday? You see despite my criticism above the thing with football is you have to score to win games. Under Adams lm afraid we don’t get enough shots on the opposition goal. Can you remember on Saturday the Pompey keeper making another crucial save in the game? And there is the fundamental problem. For all the wonderful skills and flicks when it comes to the final third we simply aren’t looking like a team who scores enough “scrappy” goals. We simply don’t get enough of our players in the opposition penalty box.

That’s why we always win or lose 2-1 in a majority of games. Unfortunately that’s why it wil continue under his tenure. We aren’t good enough defensive unit to keep clean sheets and we aren’t a good enough goal scoring unit to get enough goals to keep covering up our defensive issues.

I like your posts as you always provide reasoning for your views and the reasons as to why you feel the way you do, but the thing that always strikes me is that you talk as though Argyle have a divine right to play glorious attractive football, without any regard for the context. Very few teams can expect to play attractive winning football consistently, being faultless in defence and expansive in attack, but especially not a league 1 team with a limited budget. From your post it reads as though Adams should have Argyle playing with a miserly defence akin to the Milan team of the Baresi early 90's and the attacking creativity of Barcelona under Pep. Sunderland are the biggest spenders in the league and their last few results - 1-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-1, 1-1, 0-1. So despite spending far more than Argyle they have not managed to score more than 2 goals in any of their last 6 games and only kept 1 clean sheet. I just dont think its easy to consistently set up a team to score goals and be tight defensively, particularly if you dont have a top budget.

I would love Argyle to play a sort of Eddie Howe, Nathan Jones type football but think Adams' teams have been well organized with elements of flair and at times played some really nice football. The first half of this year was v disappointing but it is very apparent that the upturn in results has coincided with finally being able to pick a consistent, settled back four. For me, under the financial restrictions his record is excellent and I hope he stays. With the grandstand, the club are starting to move forward and I think having a good manager tied into the future plans is a good thing.

You see people think l want Argyle to play some type of “Barcelona” brand of football.

Above l have mentioned qualities that l think a successful league 1 club should be able to do on the pitch.

My frustration is formed from the season so far and what l’ve seen. At times, when we were performing so bad l sat there wondering why will players like Carey on the field why we couldn’t cross, pass or shoot that well. For me, with such good players, we go from a side that looks good with the ball to another match where it looks like most have never played football.

To get out of league one you need consistency. That has to be on things like your passing, shooting, the way you press as a team, the way you defend etc.....

Unfortunately, under Adams we go from being decent to dreadful. It’s a continuous cycle. That’s why you get batches of wins and losses under him. Let’s not forget although we had a good run last season we finished the season struggling. We went from a side who had promotion aspirations to a side completely battered by Gillingham. It’s not different this season. Only 6 weeks ago we were battered 0-3 by Accrington and the went to Wimbledon who are really struggling, and lost 2-1. This was when people kept saying we turned the corner. This is what happens under Adams. It goes from decent to unexplainably bad. And it’s not the losing. It’s why did we lose so badly in that manner. I could take the losing IF the reasons weren’t most times the same ones. A failure to press, we sat back, lack of shots on goal, the inability to pass to team mates.

This notion that I want to see tika-taka style in league 1 is amusing because l say l want to see good football. To me, good football comes in different styles. I love whipped in crossing/set pieces and bullet headers, wingers/wide men taking on a player, crunching tackles. Most of all l love pace via direct play. That doesn’t mean though hoof balls aimlessly up the field.

For a football fan the most important thing is the last result. However, for two/three months we sat watching aimless football with a game plan that failed most weeks. I’m not saying Adams is the worst manager we have had but l find people’s reaction of him intriguing.

It’s werid l see people change their opinion of him just like our results. His football seems acceptable when we are winning but the style of it comes into question when we lose. Unfortunately, for me it’s questionable whether we win, lose or draw.

It’s not beautiful football l want to see. It’s better football.

I'm with oldage and MGM unfortunately or fortunately depending on your viewpoint.

I have always said I want him to succeed. Why wouldn't I? I support Plymouth Argyle but the end of season failures in the play offs and promotion campaign plus the half season attempts in the 3rd division take some explaining.

Add to that the drivel we have seen last season and this from August through December has been terrible.

Granted January 19 has seen a complete turnaround ala Dec 17 to Mar 18 but these are short periods of superb football at times but not sustained.

His Signings last summer were appalling however some have battled through and proven me wrong (Cannavan, ASB, Grant C) but others have been ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

His single mindedness as well with slow starting and the same tactics when it's going wrong is just mind numbing.

His stubborn attitude when things are going wrong. ASB, Letheren and Lamerias are only in the team in their current positions due to injury if others not because DA made the tactical changes. We were shouting for these changes when it was going minky but the stubbornness of the man wouldn't allow it. Ross County fans warned us of this

Am I enjoying the current run? Absolutely.
will he keep us up? We will know more post Sunderland but I would think if the first team stay fit we should be ok.
Am I enjoying Saturdays at the moment? You bet.
Have I changed my mind? Nope
 
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I didn't say or do that. You really do talk a lot of rubbish.

You rarely... if ever... get any enjoyment from watching the current team under the current manager. And this is when we're performing superbly and right at the top of the form table.

I suggest you put yourself out of your misery and stop attending, if you think we're anything like Wycombe.

You did. You did it a couple of times after games we lost. Often declaring “lm logging off for the night”...

When you call someone a lier you should make sure it’s not in black n white. 26th December straight after the match in the match thread.... 5th post down

https://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=105961&p=1952108&hilit=Log+off#p1952108

And just in case you don’t believe you often do this ......27th November ....

https://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=105661&p=1944813&hilit=Log+off#p1944813

Top of the page post.....

In this case it’s appears l don’t talk rubbish. It appears you just have a short term memory for things when it suits you. Instead of fronting up, you log off. Sure l get it, that’s it’s to avoid the negeative reaction but also as you said in your only words “ l can’t defend him.... ....” ..which was only 6 weeks ago....

I find it ironic you question my loyalty (when you can’t even defend him six weeks ago). I support the club when l buy my season ticket. It’s ironic that instead of coming back with a good arguement for Adams managerial style you instead try to turn it on me because you can’t counter act my points in an adult like way.

I enjoy Argyle because of many factors. The main one being that myself and my Dad go together and it’s something we just enjoy doing for many, many years. Long before and long after Derek Adams has been or will be here.

I can support the club, without having to believe in Adams and this methods.