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Derek Adams.

Yay or nay?

  • I still want him gone.

    Votes: 28 14.5%
  • Stay please Derek take us to the Championship.

    Votes: 165 85.5%

  • Total voters
    193
  • Poll closed .
Jan 6, 2004
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I would give him another chance now, but I would demand a detailed explanation of why he considered we have started so badly two seasons in a row, what lessons he has learnt from that and what plans he has in place to ensure it does not happen again.
 
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Metal_Green_Mickey":tm6fp3lh said:
I want him gone, but l know the board won’t sack him even if we go back to league two this season. I won’t call for him to be sacked it just how l feel about his management style.

Around Xmas time, which isn’t very long along many were saying DA’s time is up or that they even realised there were flaws within his tactics that he wasn’t addressing that became frustrating.

For me, the poll says take us to the championship. How can we sustain enough good form if you defend every season the same way. We back away and give opposition players time and space to pass, cross and shoot. Of course the argument is he got us promoted doing this. Yet my counter argument is the higher you go up in the leagues the better players use that time and space you aren’t pressing them to their advantage. I’ve not seen any change in our defensive style since he became manager to think he has or will address the problem.

He though are my concerns with him.....

- His after match comments where some of his comments are just delusional

- The way we start games. Waiting to see what the opposition do. Often wasting the first 45 mins of games not getting on the front foot

- His in lack of flexibility with one up front. Haven’t got a problem him playing it but either find people who can support the forward or find a formation where the striker isn’t as isolated from the rest of the team. This happens especially away. Which is why last season for example we were one of the lowest goal scoring teams away from home.

- Tackling. Simple. Stop letting people shadow mark on the edge of the box. Perfect example was Walsall at HP recently. Andy Cook we let compete and win the ball back in our area and then waltz around our penalty area whilst we watched before he finally drove a right footed shot into the net.

He is a streaky manager. Batches of wins come with batches of losses. Like l said before in another thread we have had winless streaks in our first two seasons which often couldn’t be halted.

I think we have decent players who excite us. We can play some good football. Yet l ask you if your honest if it wasn’t for Carey’s wonderful strike, where was the goal coming from on Saturday? You see despite my criticism above the thing with football is you have to score to win games. Under Adams lm afraid we don’t get enough shots on the opposition goal. Can you remember on Saturday the Pompey keeper making another crucial save in the game? And there is the fundamental problem. For all the wonderful skills and flicks when it comes to the final third we simply aren’t looking like a team who scores enough “scrappy” goals. We simply don’t get enough of our players in the opposition penalty box.

That’s why we always win or lose 2-1 in a majority of games. Unfortunately that’s why it wil continue under his tenure. We aren’t good enough defensive unit to keep clean sheets and we aren’t a good enough goal scoring unit to get enough goals to keep covering up our defensive issues.

I like your posts as you always provide reasoning for your views and the reasons as to why you feel the way you do, but the thing that always strikes me is that you talk as though Argyle have a divine right to play glorious attractive football, without any regard for the context. Very few teams can expect to play attractive winning football consistently, being faultless in defence and expansive in attack, but especially not a league 1 team with a limited budget. From your post it reads as though Adams should have Argyle playing with a miserly defence akin to the Milan team of the Baresi early 90's and the attacking creativity of Barcelona under Pep. Sunderland are the biggest spenders in the league and their last few results - 1-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-1, 1-1, 0-1. So despite spending far more than Argyle they have not managed to score more than 2 goals in any of their last 6 games and only kept 1 clean sheet. I just dont think its easy to consistently set up a team to score goals and be tight defensively, particularly if you dont have a top budget.

I would love Argyle to play a sort of Eddie Howe, Nathan Jones type football but think Adams' teams have been well organized with elements of flair and at times played some really nice football. The first half of this year was v disappointing but it is very apparent that the upturn in results has coincided with finally being able to pick a consistent, settled back four. For me, under the financial restrictions his record is excellent and I hope he stays. With the grandstand, the club are starting to move forward and I think having a good manager tied into the future plans is a good thing.
 
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There’s several million reasons we won’t do a Bournemouth!

For what it’s worth I want him to stay. Lessons have to be learnt though and hopefully with more players being signed up
on longer contracts we won’t be playing catch up at the start of the season.
At no point does Adams look like he’s lost the dressing room , quite the opposite , players who some would have us believe couldn’t wait to get away from Adams re - sign.
 
Apr 1, 2009
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GreenArmy1984":2uv1c8lb said:
No reason we can’t do a Bournemouth!

Even by your standards a particularly silly comment.

Courtesy of their owner, Bournemouth buy multi million pound players. We are apparently currently struggling to fund the wages of an out-of-contract ex-Championship striker who probably wouldn't even consider us were he not Plymouth born.

I can usually put up with the positivity, even if there's no substance. However, the Bournemouth comment is just false (sadly).
 

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Fair enough to everyone who still wants him gone. I find that astonishing, but if you wanted him gone two months ago you should stick to your guns and still want him gone now :thumbup:

Again with Mickey though ( :lol: ), if I just read his posts I'd think we were a few evolution cycles behind a Tony Pulis team. That just simply isn't the case, because we play some damn good football with some damn skillful, ball-playing footballers put together with a pretty low budget.

The starts are the issue, but to have problems with the way we're playing NOW seems bizarre. Carey DID score the free-kick against Pompey, football is a game of unbelievably fine margins so you can't just construct an alternate reality on things that should have happened in your head.
 

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Shankster":33zflne7 said:
Gone.

Consistently inconsistent. I don’t see a plan other than the current ‘plan’. I don’t see the new stand and amenities making any real difference to the investment other than giving the club a better grounding to remain solvent and self supporting.

That argument doesn't make sense on two levels.

1) the grandstand is transformative and if it doesn't make 'any real difference' as you claim, will be a catastrophic failure and not achieve anything it was supposed to. Which is unlikely.

2) Derek Adams has a proven record of success working on a budget, so if you think we will still be on a low budget then it doesn't make sense to remove someone capable of working within that.
 
Oct 18, 2010
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Stay. He's been absolutely brilliant this season. Next season could be the season where we finish in the Play-Offs. Hopefully he'll have more money to spend in the Summer, and he had nothing last Summer so that wasn't his fault.

I think we can have a successful season next season, and like you say get to the Championship.
 
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Biggs":b0cbbmun said:
Fair enough to everyone who still wants him gone. I find that astonishing, but if you wanted him gone two months ago you should stick to your guns and still want him gone now :thumbup:

Again with Mickey though ( :lol: ), if I just read his posts I'd think we were a few evolution cycles behind a Tony Pulis team. That just simply isn't the case, because we play some damn good football with some damn skillful, ball-playing footballers put together with a pretty low budget.

The starts are the issue, but to have problems with the way we're playing NOW seems bizarre. Carey DID score the free-kick against Pompey, football is a game of unbelievably fine margins so you can't just construct an alternate reality on things that should have happened in your head.
Exactly if Carey hadn't scored the free kick we'd have piled on the pressure and had bodies in the box, so it's silly saying if Carey hadn't scored the free kick where would the goal come from?
 

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Hopefully he'll have more money to spend in the Summer, and he had nothing last Summer so that wasn't his fault.

Where on Earth have you got that from? :crazy:
 

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Biggs":as4v9856 said:
Shankster":as4v9856 said:
Gone.

Consistently inconsistent. I don’t see a plan other than the current ‘plan’. I don’t see the new stand and amenities making any real difference to the investment other than giving the club a better grounding to remain solvent and self supporting.

That argument doesn't make sense on two levels.

1) the grandstand is transformative and if it doesn't make 'any real difference' as you claim, will be a catastrophic failure and not achieve anything it was supposed to. Which is unlikely.

2) Derek Adams has a proven record of success working on a budget, so if you think we will still be on a low budget then it doesn't make sense to remove someone capable of working within that.

I take your point re the budget but I bet it's not as low as he constantly claims that it is.
 
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Metal_Green_Mickey":2hwbhter said:
I want him gone, but l know the board won’t sack him even if we go back to league two this season. I won’t call for him to be sacked it just how l feel about his management style.

Around Xmas time, which isn’t very long along many were saying DA’s time is up or that they even realised there were flaws within his tactics that he wasn’t addressing that became frustrating.

For me, the poll says take us to the championship. How can we sustain enough good form if you defend every season the same way. We back away and give opposition players time and space to pass, cross and shoot. Of course the argument is he got us promoted doing this. Yet my counter argument is the higher you go up in the leagues the better players use that time and space you aren’t pressing them to their advantage. I’ve not seen any change in our defensive style since he became manager to think he has or will address the problem.

He though are my concerns with him.....

- His after match comments where some of his comments are just delusional

- The way we start games. Waiting to see what the opposition do. Often wasting the first 45 mins of games not getting on the front foot

- His in lack of flexibility with one up front. Haven’t got a problem him playing it but either find people who can support the forward or find a formation where the striker isn’t as isolated from the rest of the team. This happens especially away. Which is why last season for example we were one of the lowest goal scoring teams away from home.

- Tackling. Simple. Stop letting people shadow mark on the edge of the box. Perfect example was Walsall at HP recently. Andy Cook we let compete and win the ball back in our area and then waltz around our penalty area whilst we watched before he finally drove a right footed shot into the net.

He is a streaky manager. Batches of wins come with batches of losses. Like l said before in another thread we have had winless streaks in our first two seasons which often couldn’t be halted.

I think we have decent players who excite us. We can play some good football. Yet l ask you if your honest if it wasn’t for Carey’s wonderful strike, where was the goal coming from on Saturday? You see despite my criticism above the thing with football is you have to score to win games. Under Adams lm afraid we don’t get enough shots on the opposition goal. Can you remember on Saturday the Pompey keeper making another crucial save in the game? And there is the fundamental problem. For all the wonderful skills and flicks when it comes to the final third we simply aren’t looking like a team who scores enough “scrappy” goals. We simply don’t get enough of our players in the opposition penalty box.

That’s why we always win or lose 2-1 in a majority of games. Unfortunately that’s why it wil continue under his tenure. We aren’t good enough defensive unit to keep clean sheets and we aren’t a good enough goal scoring unit to get enough goals to keep covering up our defensive issues.

I like your posts as you always provide reasoning for your views and the reasons as to why you feel the way you do, but the thing that always strikes me is that you talk as though Argyle have a divine right to play glorious attractive football, without any regard for the context. Very few teams can expect to play attractive winning football consistently, being faultless in defence and expansive in attack, but especially not a league 1 team with a limited budget. From your post it reads as though Adams should have Argyle playing with a miserly defence akin to the Milan team of the Baresi early 90's and the attacking creativity of Barcelona under Pep. Sunderland are the biggest spenders in the league and their last few results - 1-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-1, 1-1, 0-1. So despite spending far more than Argyle they have not managed to score more than 2 goals in any of their last 6 games and only kept 1 clean sheet. I just dont think its easy to consistently set up a team to score goals and be tight defensively, particularly if you dont have a top budget.

I would love Argyle to play a sort of Eddie Howe, Nathan Jones type football but think Adams' teams have been well organized with elements of flair and at times played some really nice football. The first half of this year was v disappointing but it is very apparent that the upturn in results has coincided with finally being able to pick a consistent, settled back four. For me, under the financial restrictions his record is excellent and I hope he stays. With the grandstand, the club are starting to move forward and I think having a good manager tied into the future plans is a good thing.

You see people think l want Argyle to play some type of “Barcelona” brand of football.

Above l have mentioned qualities that l think a successful league 1 club should be able to do on the pitch.

My frustration is formed from the season so far and what l’ve seen. At times, when we were performing so bad l sat there wondering why will players like Carey on the field why we couldn’t cross, pass or shoot that well. For me, with such good players, we go from a side that looks good with the ball to another match where it looks like most have never played football.

To get out of league one you need consistency. That has to be on things like your passing, shooting, the way you press as a team, the way you defend etc.....

Unfortunately, under Adams we go from being decent to dreadful. It’s a continuous cycle. That’s why you get batches of wins and losses under him. Let’s not forget although we had a good run last season we finished the season struggling. We went from a side who had promotion aspirations to a side completely battered by Gillingham. It’s not different this season. Only 6 weeks ago we were battered 0-3 by Accrington and the went to Wimbledon who are really struggling, and lost 2-1. This was when people kept saying we turned the corner. This is what happens under Adams. It goes from decent to unexplainably bad. And it’s not the losing. It’s why did we lose so badly in that manner. I could take the losing IF the reasons weren’t most times the same ones. A failure to press, we sat back, lack of shots on goal, the inability to pass to team mates.

This notion that I want to see tika-taka style in league 1 is amusing because l say l want to see good football. To me, good football comes in different styles. I love whipped in crossing/set pieces and bullet headers, wingers/wide men taking on a player, crunching tackles. Most of all l love pace via direct play. That doesn’t mean though hoof balls aimlessly up the field.

For a football fan the most important thing is the last result. However, for two/three months we sat watching aimless football with a game plan that failed most weeks. I’m not saying Adams is the worst manager we have had but l find people’s reaction of him intriguing.

It’s werid l see people change their opinion of him just like our results. His football seems acceptable when we are winning but the style of it comes into question when we lose. Unfortunately, for me it’s questionable whether we win, lose or draw.

It’s not beautiful football l want to see. It’s better football.