Plymouth Argyle Transfer Rumours

[up the line]

So when the manager says we are looking to add both permanent and loan additions no one else except ME expects?

Your hard work sometimes

We've signed 12 players this season...can I ask how many more constitutes us not being 'tinpot'?! We have actually brought in 2 players in January! One of whom (Lewis) is probably going to find game time limited this season as it is....but apparently we need more and more and more players.... anybody, please!!

This is why I hate transfer windows. You get people desperate for their clubs to make more and more signings just for the hell of it. Like it's absolutely imperative that they see several new smiling faces holding a green scarf aloft, otherwise their club are somehow tinpot.
We obviously were interested in Kelly, a player potentially different to what we have now, and we could potentially think about someone who could play right back but other than that I'm not sure where any new signing is going to fit in, unless someone goes first.

 

[oldage]

My god there are a few tetchy people on here. Most fans look forward to the transfer windows and how would it be if the club said at the opening of the window "we have no intention of signing anybody". Not desperation but all part of being a football fan. We should not waste money but our team is far from the finished article.

 

[mutley marvel]

My take on the Transfer window is we should only sign players that will improve the balance of the squad we currently have - i don't see the point of signing numerous players for them to be bench warmers- not improve the balance of the squad & be on the wage bill.

We have a budget - we stick to the budget

I could not give a rats ********* what other clubs are up to if they want to go gun ho boom & bust so be it but our club is not like that

Whoever walks through the door is there because they tick all the boxes in terms of our recruitment policy

 

[Andy S]

We've signed 12 players this season...can I ask how many more constitutes us not being 'tinpot'?! We have actually brought in 2 players in January! One of whom (Lewis) is probably going to find game time limited this season as it is....but apparently we need more and more and more players.... anybody, please!!

This is why I hate transfer windows. You get people desperate for their clubs to make more and more signings just for the hell of it. Like it's absolutely imperative that they see several new smiling faces holding a green scarf aloft, otherwise their club are somehow tinpot.
We obviously were interested in Kelly, a player potentially different to what we have now, and we could potentially think about someone who could play right back but other than that I'm not sure where any new signing is going to fit in, unless someone goes first.

Thank you UTL.

That is exactly the point that I was alluding to.

 

[xmastree]

I find it odd when people say where do we need to strengthen? We surely should be seeking to strengthen our team in every single position, all of the time. There are 2 main ways of strengthening/improving the team - either make more of the players we have by coaching them to be better individually and collectively, or add to the playing squad by signing players who are better, or have the potential to be better, than those we currently employ. The first option should be actively pursued all of the time. The second option should also be pursued all of the time, subject to the constraints of transfer windows and, in particular, to available playing budget. Does anyone disagree with this?

If the Club does not aspire to improve the team, within the above constraints, we might as well give up. If they succeed in consistently strengthening/improving the team, then success will come in time.

 

[Bwb1989]

Thank you UTL.

That is exactly the point that I was alluding to.

But your completely missing tugboats point.. the manager has clearly said he wants a couple more in (has change this in the last few days to maybe one). Has said it’ll be a mixture of loan/permanent, so sees a need for added players, one quote of his was to cover injuries and tough fixture build up. So expectations are built from this, the managers opinion. I too feel we will be fine if we don’t manage to get anyone else in but can still see why people may feel disappointed that we haven’t managed to attract that extra piece the manager felt we could have done with.

 

[HerthaBSC]

At this stage of every season, pitches at Leagues 1 and 2 Clubs are heavy and cut up, players are fatigued, each club has 2 or 3 players out injured.

This is the background to Argyle's and every Club's need to strengthen in January.

It's possible to reassess a Club's competitiveness at the end of January on the basis of injuries, new signings and style of play (a passing game causes more player fatigue particularly on winter pitches)

On that basis, as things stand, I think Argyle are about 9th or 10th. Club's above us have added to their squads, have outbid us and clearly have bigger budgets.

For a Club like Argyle, it's about signing 'developmental' players from lower or foreign Leagues, players who are off the radar and may well develop into significant assets.

It's about spreading the net wider and finding that unscouted gem, like Yannick Bolasie.

Argyle fans, spread around the World as they are, can play a role in this, as unofficial, unpaid scouts. In my opinion it's upto the Club to consider this and provide for it.

Who knows, we could end up with a new Bolasie, Halmosi or Buszaky one day.

 

[Railway sleeper]

At this stage of every season, pitches at Leagues 1 and 2 Clubs are heavy and cut up, players are fatigued, each club has 2 or 3 players out injured.

This is the background to Argyle's and every Club's need to strengthen in January.

It's possible to reassess a Club's competitiveness at the end of January on the basis of injuries, new signings and style of play (a passing game causes more player fatigue particularly on winter pitches)

On that basis, as things stand, I think Argyle are about 9th or 10th. Club's above us have added to their squads, have outbid us and clearly have bigger budgets.

For a Club like Argyle, it's about signing 'developmental' players from lower or foreign Leagues, players who are off the radar and may well develop into significant assets.

It's about spreading the net wider and finding that unscouted gem, like Yannick Bolasie.

Argyle fans, spread around the World as they are, can play a role in this, as unofficial, unpaid scouts. In my opinion it's upto the Club to consider this and provide for it.

Who knows, we could end up with a new Bolasie, Halmosi or Buszaky one day.

I remember when Lilian Nalis was signed from Leicester in 2006, by Tony Pulis. There was an element of supterfuge to the transfer- born of the realisation that if other clubs in the championship ( and also presumably in league 1) got to hear of nalis’s availabilty Argyle would inevitably be outbid for his services. So, under a cloak of silence ( almost like a military operation) Nalis was whisked down to Plymouth to sign for the club- and what a great signing he turned out to be.

This is the dilemma for the club- there’s the laudable Ambition to be open and transparent, with the growing issue with the prevelance of agents, that signings are little more than a beauty pageant and courtship ceremony with differing clubs offering higher and higher terms - which
Can often end up ( in my opinion )to exceed a players actual worth.

Congratulations to Georgie Kelly’s agent, because much as I would have like for him to sign for Argyle, all said- and- done he’s a development player who may or may not live up to new manager paul warne’s Expectations.

It would be unrealistic to think that Argyle can or should seek to win any bidding war- and I think we can see how difficult it is to do business in the January transfer window, when prices and contract demands are usually heavily inflated.However, I don’t think the Georgie Kelly episode ishould put Argyle off trying to unearth “gems”- there are certainly more out there, in my opinion.....

 

[HerthaBSC]

I remember when Lilian Nalis was signed from Leicester in 2006, by Tony Pulis. There was an element of supterfuge to the transfer- born of the realisation that if other clubs in the championship ( and also presumably in league 1) got to hear of nalis’s availabilty Argyle would inevitably be outbid for his services. So, under a cloak of silence ( almost like a military operation) Nalis was whisked down to Plymouth to sign for the club- and what a great signing he turned out to be.

This is the dilemma for the club- there’s the laudable Ambition to be open and transparent, with the growing issue with the prevelance of agents, that signings are little more than a beauty pageant and courtship ceremony with differing clubs offering higher and higher terms - which
Can often end up ( in my opinion )to exceed a players actual worth.

Congratulations to Georgie Kelly’s agent, because much as I would have like for him to sign for Argyle, all said- and- done he’s a development player who may or may not live up to new manager paul warne’s Expectations.

It would be unrealistic to think that Argyle can or should seek to win any bidding war- and I think we can see how difficult it is to do business in the January transfer window, when prices and contract demands are usually heavily inflated.However, I don’t think the Georgie Kelly episode ishould put Argyle off trying to unearth “gems”- there are certainly more out there, in my opinion.....

Yes, and I think it would be sensible to try to be less reliant on these agents, who phone numerous clubs to offer a player to the highest bidder.

Ultimately it strips money from the game and you end up in a Derby County situation.

 

[Manic minor]

Well done to you. I can see how you made it to the dizzy heights of being a Mod now being on the spelling and grammar police board.

Really proud moment

Have you two been married long?😂

 

[justanotherfan]

I find it odd when people say where do we need to strengthen? We surely should be seeking to strengthen our team in every single position, all of the time. There are 2 main ways of strengthening/improving the team - either make more of the players we have by coaching them to be better individually and collectively, or add to the playing squad by signing players who are better, or have the potential to be better, than those we currently employ. The first option should be actively pursued all of the time. The second option should also be pursued all of the time, subject to the constraints of transfer windows and, in particular, to available playing budget. Does anyone disagree with this?

If the Club does not aspire to improve the team, within the above constraints, we might as well give up. If they succeed in consistently strengthening/improving the team, then success will come in time.

Who would dare?

 

[xmastree]

Who would dare?

Ha!!

 

[MGM]

I always think the summer window is the best option for us because that’s when players contract ends and you have more options.

In Kelly and Lewis, the Irish league season had finished so that why our interest and pursuit of them was now.

Otherwise, we are scrambling around for loan players like the majority of lower league clubs. To find better players than you have in January isn’t easy.

Unless you get a player from a higher league that the parent club wants experience for that player, l can’t think of too many reasons why clubs would let good players go out on loan in January. Unless it was for financial reasons.

How many options do we currently have? Four forwards. Camara and Mayor sitting on the bench with Lewis out of the squad as midfield option. You got Bolton or Garrick who could play RWB. Law who could play LWB. Crichlow who can cover the defence.

Its not like we haven’t got enough bodies. Maybe one or two of our squad deserve their chance in the team. Randell is/was a case in point.

 

[DartPilgrim]

Coventry RWB Julien DaCosta set to join a League 1 club , initially on loan . I know it could be any one of 24 but it is a position we could do with strengthening in , in my opinion.

 

[Tugboat]

Coventry RWB Julien DaCosta set to join a League 1 club , initially on loan . I know it could be any one of 24 but it is a position we could do with strengthening in , in my opinion.

Could allow Garrick to be the 4th striker full time then. That should give at least 2 players for each position.