Points based ticket priority

[PL2 3DQ]

"five points per home fixture and 10 points per away fixture"
I'll go to all 3 mickey mouse cup fixtures then....

It also means by game number 31 a non-season ticket holder who has been to all 16 away games and all 15 home games, buying individual match tickets, will have 235 points and therefore receive priority over a ST holder who hasn't bought tickets for any away games.

Last season the Chelsea FA Cup game was after game 28 in the league so just ok, however should we reach the fifth round this season in an away game non-season holders who have been to all away and home league games will have priority over season holders who haven't been to any away games.

 

[HC Green]

I have been a ST holder for many years. For the last few years I have worked on a Saturday morning so can't go to most away games.
I am 70 yo and not been well recently, I cannot go to Fleetwood on a Tuesday night or Charlton.
I might however fancy taking a day off to go to Stroud (where I used to work) on a Saturday or a weekend stay.
Nothing to do with 'loyalty'.
But as far as I know, every time I have bought a ST for the last few years I have been promised priority tickets.
Fine if other ST holders 'beat' me to a ticket but it makes them younger, fitter and more flexible not more 'loyal'.
I would not accept non ST holders getting tickets before me.

But it is fair that a ST holder who had been to every away game for two years wasn’t able to get a ticket for the last time we played Exeter?

If you read the rest of my post you will see that I said Argyle should have used this season to accumulate points and then introduce it next season.
I do think it is poor planning by Argyle to introduce a scheme at such short notice.
Argyle knew the attendance figures last season, and that ST sales were likely to increase, they could see who was likely to get promoted for several months last season so not to be to get something in place at the same time as STs went on sale does suggest lack of planning and foresight. After all a lot of other Clubs already use a loyalty point system to prioritise sales so it would be easy to replicate one of them.

 

[HC Green]

It also means by game number 31 a non-season ticket holder who has been to all 16 away games and all 15 home games, buying individual match tickets, will have 235 points and therefore receive priority over a ST holder who hasn't bought tickets for any away games.

But ST holders will always be ahead of non ST holders in the pecking order, unless Argyle’s scheme is unlike that of every other Club that uses a points system.
That would just be bizarre!

 

[Pogleswoody]

But it is fair that a ST holder who had been to every away game for two years wasn’t able to get a ticket for the last time we played Exeter?

If you read the rest of my post you will see that I said Argyle should have used this season to accumulate points and then introduce it next season.
I do think it is poor planning by Argyle to introduce a scheme at such short notice.
Argyle knew the attendance figures last season, and that ST sales were likely to increase, they could see who was likely to get promoted for several months last season so not to be to get something in place at the same time as STs went on sale does suggest lack of planning and foresight. After all a lot of other Clubs already use a loyalty point system to prioritise sales so it would be easy to replicate one of them.

Fair enough HC I did agree that I would 'yield' to some ST holders.
My main point with your post was the use of 'loyalty'. I'm as loyal as my brain and body allows me to be. Not being capable of going to Fleetwood on a Tuesday is not 'disloyalty'.
Apart from that .. I agree!

 

[PL2 3DQ]

But ST holders will always be ahead of non ST holders in the pecking order, unless Argyle’s scheme is unlike that of every other Club that uses a points system.
That would just be bizarre!

I was just giving a possible scenario using this points based statement from the club ...

"On a discretionary basis for high-profile away fixtures, the Home Park Ticket Office will reserve an allocation of tickets on a points-based system, before the remainder will be sold as usual – going to Season Ticket holders as standard, then Flexi Ticket holders and Big Green Lottery members, and then General Sale."

 

[dunlop]

Buying a ST has devalued overtime, this is another example, there is no loyalty to ST holders having one for 50 years or buying one for the first time the benefits are the same, I think that should come into the equation.

 

[ArgyleOfficial]

As we have outlined throughout, the scheme is in infancy, and is designed to strike the best balance based on the feedback provided by supporters.

Of course, some valid concerns are raise above, while a few perhaps require further clarification.

Although we appreciate it was not clear in yesterday's communication, supporters will only be eligible to purchase during the first priority 'points window' if they hold a 22/23 season ticket. It will not be possible for a non-season ticket holding supporter to overtake one with a season ticket.

We consider it vital to preserve the priority status associated with a season ticket - however, we also believe that supporters who have attended the vast majority of away fixtures on top of their season ticket should have that commitment acknowledged in some way.

Offering a proportion (not all) of our allocation to these supporters is a halfway house between a full points system (which many supporters were not happy with as it creates a 'closed shop') and the previous system - which can see these supporters miss out on high-profile fixtures.

By ensuring that you have to hold a season-ticket to be eligible for the first points window, we have honoured the terms signed up to by supporters when they purchased their ST. There is no way a non-season-ticket holding supporter can access ticketing for fixtures before a season-ticket holding supporter. However, we would also point out that the terms and conditions of a season-ticket purchase simply state 'priority.' In no way do these tweaks contradict the terms of sale.

Of course, we understand that this will be an emotive subject, and we know from our consultation that not everyone will agree. However, we feel that this system provides the fairest balance while also offering some reward to our most consistent attending supporters.

Non season ticket holders collecting points will benefit ahead of general sale tickets, should tickets remain available at that point. However, it's worth pointing out that we only tend to implement points priority for fixtures we know are likely to sell out early.

We are implementing a trial to see how it goes, and to iron out any unforeseen kinks in the process. Supporters will be invited to share their views with us again as the situation unfolds.

As pointed out above, the Forest Green fixture will likely be the first fixture where points will be required, and we'll provide details in due course.

However, an example of how this could work for FGR is as follows but still TBC.

1a. Season Ticket Holders with 250 loyalty points or more (An allocation)

1b. Season Ticket Holders - No Loyalty Points Required

2. Flexi Ticket Holders & BGL Members

3. Non Season Ticket Holders with 25 loyalty points or more (Not likely here, but an example of how it could be used ahead of going to general sale)

4. General Sale

JY

 

[Cult Of Personality]

Time to start buying away tickets and not go . Just so I get my points up for the games I want to go.

Two things.

It stops fans that want to go to an away game if I buy a ticket and not go so means people miss out.

And I will buy ticket for the pointless jpt games and not go and get my points up that way to

 

[Monster Green]

Time to start buying away tickets and not go . Just so I get my points up for the games I want to go.

Two things.

It stops fans that want to go to an away game if I buy a ticket and not go so means people miss out.

And I will buy ticket for the pointless jpt games and not go and get my points up that way to

Are you for real?

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

Time to start buying away tickets and not go . Just so I get my points up for the games I want to go.

Two things.

It stops fans that want to go to an away game if I buy a ticket and not go so means people miss out.

And I will buy ticket for the pointless jpt games and not go and get my points up that way to

Good for you in these times of a cost of living crisis. If you can afford to buy tickets and not go then good luck to you. My perception of most of the Green Army is that they are not selfish and full of self mindedness. If you feel you need to cheat yourself into a position of getting tickets for the bigger games then you carry on.

 

[fawlty]

Careful re-reading of the Argyle statement might ease fans' concerns.

Argyle have advised that they will be trialling a small tweak to ticket allocation for high profile away matches only. Ticketing priority for home matches will not be affected at all nor will the normal priority for those 'special' away matches i.e. ST then Flexi/BGL then General sale.

Argyle do not appear to know, or declared, how they will sell the allocation of reserved tickets but they want them to go to those who have been loyal which the trial will consider based on attendance and therefore using a points system that they have described. I suspect that, as long as you have an account, then Argyle will determine what the minimum number of points are required to tap into the reserve allocation for that match which will be pretty well governed by the opposing home club away capacity.

To me, this seems appropriate to satisfy all (most !?!) fans.

Argyle have stated that they will monitor this trial and then undertake a comprehensive review at the end of the season and, I expect, before any fans purchase ticket memberships for next season.

Personally, I am a London based, PASALB member fan who has a Flexi membership and was quite worried that I was being 'relegated' down to General sales but, unless I have misread the Argyle statement, that is not the case.

Like for the Chelsea game, I may not get a shout over ST holders and may miss out but that is to be expected.

I hope that I haven't upset or insulted any Argyle fans in my post. COYGs.

Fawlty

 

[PL2 3DQ]

As we have outlined throughout, the scheme is in infancy, and is designed to strike the best balance based on the feedback provided by supporters.

Of course, some valid concerns are raise above, while a few perhaps require further clarification.

Although we appreciate it was not clear in yesterday's communication, supporters will only be eligible to purchase during the first priority 'points window' if they hold a 22/23 season ticket. It will not be possible for a non-season ticket holding supporter to overtake one with a season ticket.

We consider it vital to preserve the priority status associated with a season ticket - however, we also believe that supporters who have attended the vast majority of away fixtures on top of their season ticket should have that commitment acknowledged in some way.

Offering a proportion (not all) of our allocation to these supporters is a halfway house between a full points system (which many supporters were not happy with as it creates a 'closed shop') and the previous system - which can see these supporters miss out on high-profile fixtures.

By ensuring that you have to hold a season-ticket to be eligible for the first points window, we have honoured the terms signed up to by supporters when they purchased their ST. There is no way a non-season-ticket holding supporter can access ticketing for fixtures before a season-ticket holding supporter. However, we would also point out that the terms and conditions of a season-ticket purchase simply state 'priority.' In no way do these tweaks contradict the terms of sale.

Of course, we understand that this will be an emotive subject, and we know from our consultation that not everyone will agree. However, we feel that this system provides the fairest balance while also offering some reward to our most consistent attending supporters.

Non season ticket holders collecting points will benefit ahead of general sale tickets, should tickets remain available at that point. However, it's worth pointing out that we only tend to implement points priority for fixtures we know are likely to sell out early.

We are implementing a trial to see how it goes, and to iron out any unforeseen kinks in the process. Supporters will be invited to share their views with us again as the situation unfolds.

As pointed out above, the Forest Green fixture will likely be the first fixture where points will be required, and we'll provide details in due course.

However, an example of how this could work for FGR is as follows but still TBC.

1a. Season Ticket Holders with 250 loyalty points or more (An allocation)

1b. Season Ticket Holders - No Loyalty Points Required

2. Flexi Ticket Holders & BGL Members

3. Non Season Ticket Holders with 25 loyalty points or more (Not likely here, but an example of how it could be used ahead of going to general sale)

4. General Sale

JY

Thanks for the reply. I don't agree with some points, namely the priority statement regarding when the ST's were sold because there are now stages of priority for ST holders.
Also there was 'no decisive consensus' from the survey but the club have gone ahead with this anyway, albeit as a trial.
However, I do appreciate you taking the time to post more detail of the scheme.

 

[Bryan Tregunna]

Time to start buying away tickets and not go . Just so I get my points up for the games I want to go.

Two things.

It stops fans that want to go to an away game if I buy a ticket and not go so means people miss out.

And I will buy ticket for the pointless jpt games and not go and get my points up that way to

Argyle have clearly considered that first come basis (within the priority groups) is inappropriate and wish to reward those who attend more games (or buy tickets).

If you wish to increase your chances for the popular games then buying tickets for the less popular games is the way to go - even if you don't attend. Some people will have purchased a ST for the very reason of increased priority even though they won't attend every home game.
Whatever works for you.

As for denying someone else from going to a game? That's an incongruous argument.

 

[dunlop]

As we have outlined throughout, the scheme is in infancy, and is designed to strike the best balance based on the feedback provided by supporters.

Of course, some valid concerns are raise above, while a few perhaps require further clarification.

Although we appreciate it was not clear in yesterday's communication, supporters will only be eligible to purchase during the first priority 'points window' if they hold a 22/23 season ticket. It will not be possible for a non-season ticket holding supporter to overtake one with a season ticket.

We consider it vital to preserve the priority status associated with a season ticket - however, we also believe that supporters who have attended the vast majority of away fixtures on top of their season ticket should have that commitment acknowledged in some way.

Offering a proportion (not all) of our allocation to these supporters is a halfway house between a full points system (which many supporters were not happy with as it creates a 'closed shop') and the previous system - which can see these supporters miss out on high-profile fixtures.

By ensuring that you have to hold a season-ticket to be eligible for the first points window, we have honoured the terms signed up to by supporters when they purchased their ST. There is no way a non-season-ticket holding supporter can access ticketing for fixtures before a season-ticket holding supporter. However, we would also point out that the terms and conditions of a season-ticket purchase simply state 'priority.' In no way do these tweaks contradict the terms of sale.

Of course, we understand that this will be an emotive subject, and we know from our consultation that not everyone will agree. However, we feel that this system provides the fairest balance while also offering some reward to our most consistent attending supporters.

Non season ticket holders collecting points will benefit ahead of general sale tickets, should tickets remain available at that point. However, it's worth pointing out that we only tend to implement points priority for fixtures we know are likely to sell out early.

We are implementing a trial to see how it goes, and to iron out any unforeseen kinks in the process. Supporters will be invited to share their views with us again as the situation unfolds.

As pointed out above, the Forest Green fixture will likely be the first fixture where points will be required, and we'll provide details in due course.

However, an example of how this could work for FGR is as follows but still TBC.

1a. Season Ticket Holders with 250 loyalty points or more (An allocation)

1b. Season Ticket Holders - No Loyalty Points Required

2. Flexi Ticket Holders & BGL Members

3. Non Season Ticket Holders with 25 loyalty points or more (Not likely here, but an example of how it could be used ahead of going to general sale)

4. General Sale

JY

What if you are a ST holder and a BGL member , where does that come on the list.

 

[Dunkeld Green]

Are you for real?

Good for you in these times of a cost of living crisis. If you can afford to buy tickets and not go then good luck to you. My perception of most of the Green Army is that they are not selfish and full of self mindedness. If you feel you need to cheat yourself into a position of getting tickets for the bigger games then you carry oSo Lun

So i renewed my season ticket again this season again with the outlook of only making 6-10 home matches but the fixture calculator was not in my favour and will probably only make the 1 possibly 2 matches at home at the very most but this gives me the chance to get tickets for away matches which are a bit closer to me.
Depending on how the points system will work i.e. 230 points for just buying the season ticket will the club then add into the equation of if you attend a match lets say another 5 points per attended game at home, as London Cabbie stated Palace give points for attending away matches but also sell an away season ticket is that another +£400 season ticket to buy.
I don't work between November - Mid March but I'm also in a financial position that I can afford to buy both season tickets Home/Away if that was a way Argyle decided to go and if I wanted to beat the points system, but would this not again be against the Argyle supporters who would prefer to pick and choose which match to attend.
I fully understand that due to the milage I have to travel 544 miles in each direction for each home match and a minimum of 248 miles each way for an away match but that is a part of having a guaranteed seat where I want with people I know.
At the moment as a season ticket holder if an away match sells out during that early stages that is purely down to demand by other season ticket holders but going on the points system I could have the full amount of points going forward but not have even attended 1 match in a season just on the off chance of a Chelsea type match or being more optimistic Argyle reaching the top end of the Championship or even the Premiership.

So now you are calling people selfish and full of self mindedness........thank you very much!!!!!
I have had a season ticket for the most of my supporting life and although I have moved away I have continued to buy a season ticket even now to support Argyle both at matches and via Argyle TV again both home and away.
I along with the majority of season ticket holders did not ask for a refund, bought a season ticket even though it would be cheaper to just buy a match by match, every match I can't attend I buy Argyle TV match ticket, BLG member, donated probably 10 tickets to the NHS along with this over £200 in fuel to watch a home game. Last season I probably travelled over 10,000 miles watching Argyle I'm not saying I am a superior supporter than any other but to imply that I am selfish and full of self mindedness is totally disrespectful to myself and fellow supporters who only want to watch and support Argyle.
If I bought a ticket for every away match and offered them to Ian to give away to supporters who live local but cannot buy tickets for free and build up the points that way again would I BE SELFISH???