Camara made available for transfer

[oldage]

This is a very good post and nicely sums up my fears about us allowing Pan to leave.

Somebody questioned whether a single player can make the difference between mid-table and the playoffs. Yes, of course they can. Take Hardie out of our squad this season and you could easily see a scenario in which we won four or five fewer matches and finished well outside the playoffs.

Swap Michael Cooper for an inferior keeper and it would have been entirely possible for three wins to have turned into three draws and three draws into three defeats.

Pan's contribution is harder to measure because he doesn't stop shots or score goals, but he does cover more ground than anyone else in our squad and probably wins possession more than anyone else too. The guy has the kind of engine and periscopic limbs that you just don't see in a lower league player. He's a rare and unique talent and makes life easier for his teammates because he does a lot of their running and tackling for them.

If the management has identified a replacement and he ends up being as influential as Pan then I'll be the first to congratulate them because that'll be some achievement. But I don't think they will because I don't believe there's another Pan out there - and certainly not for the kind of money we'll be shopping around with.

I do get the arguments that it's good business sense to cash in on a player's value while he still has some, but I genuinely believe that Pan is a special case and should be treated as such. We should keep him for another season and have a real go at promotion with him at the heart of our midfield. Who's to say he wouldn't be keen to stay if we ended 2022-23 with promotion to the Championship?

Instead, we could be kicking off the new season at Ipswich or Wednesday, watching Panutche Camara in a blue shirt helping a League One rival diminish our promotion prospects.

I just don't get it, and won't unless the club have already identified a replacement and want Camara's transfer fee to bring him in.

Wish some fans would put this issue into perspective. Camara has had excellent games but has also not turned up for some. He could get better and I wished he stayed but IMO this gushing praise is OTT. We managed when he was away on international duty.

 

[Welwyn Pilgrim]

I really don’t understand those who seem to think that Camera shouldn’t be made available for a transfer as he still has a year left on his contract. If he really wanted to be here then he’d sign the better deal available and those who think he’d still play with 100% commitment to Argyle knowing that end of the season he’d go for nothing are being a bit naive. That’s not a slur on his professionalism it’s just human nature. I like Pan and disappointed he’s going but the sooner we accept his days at HP are over the quicker we move on and welcome whoever comes through the gates at HP..

 

[MGM]

There were 3 things that stood out this season.

1. The form and brillance of Cooper

2. Hardie running all day long and making the most of scoring opportunities

3. Camara in midfield being the difference in very tight games

An example was Oxford away. We were under the cosh in that second half. And he was the player that helped the limited counter attacks we had to get up the pitch. Argyle just don’t hold the ball well, especially away from home, and without his energy l feel we going to need to pass the ball and keep it much better than we have seen.

For me, games are won and lost in midfield.

Ask yourself this. Broom, Mayor, Houghton or Camara. Which one is most importan? And to me is Camara by miles. I wouldn’t be that bothered about any of the other 3 not playing for us next season. Camara l feel differently.

 

[oldage]

There were 3 things that stood out this season.

1. The form and brillance of Cooper

2. Hardie running all day long and making the most of scoring opportunities

3. Camara in midfield being the difference in very tight games

An example was Oxford away. We were under the cosh in that second half. And he was the player that helped the limited counter attacks we had to get up the pitch. Argyle just don’t hold the ball well, especially away from home, and without his energy l feel we going to need to pass the ball and keep it much better than we have seen.

For me, games are won and lost in midfield.

Ask yourself this. Broom, Mayor, Houghton or Camara. Why one is most importan? And to me is Camara by miles. I wouldn’t be that bothered about any of the other 3 not playing for us next season. Camara l feel differently.

When you put it like that all are replaceable😲

 

[MGM]

When you put it like that all are replaceable😲

Now without Camara, we have a giant hole in midfield. It wasn’t good enough when he was here as he needed desperately some legs alongside him.

Camara & Cooper are different class to the rest of our squad. Both have weaknesses like Camara with his final ball/shot and Cooper with crosses but they are head n shoulders above anything in our squad.

 

[oldage]

Now without Camara, we have a giant hole in midfield. It wasn’t good enough when he was here as he needed desperately some legs alongside him.

Camara & Cooper are different class to the rest of our squad. Both have weaknesses like Camara with his final ball/shot and Cooper with crosses but they are head n shoulders above anything in our squad.

You forgot Hardie.

 

[MGM]

You forgot Hardie.

I like Hardie but l think he is no better than Ennis.

I think the forwards would show how good they are if you give them the right service.

I think Cooper & Camara are more important to the team than Hardie.

 

[oldage]

I like Hardie but l think he is no better than Ennis.

I think the forwards would show how good they are if you give them the right service.

I think Cooper & Camara are more important to the team than Hardie.

Ennis is nowhere near as good as Hardie.Just to remind you Hardie was our top scorer with 19 goals.

 

[MGM]

Ennis is nowhere near as good as Hardie.Just to remind you Hardie was our top scorer with 19 goals.

I know this season.

But l think he can be an excellent player. He was out for a few months in first half of the season and then rotated with Jephcott and Garrick.

If we played to this guys strengths, into his feet, you'd see how good he can be.

 

[oldage]

At the risk of repeating myself he spent more time on his backside than creating chances when I have seen him at HP. Not impressed I’m afraid.

 

[Sainghin Green]

I like Camara but I think that’s largely because of his energy and his personality on the pitch, not necessarily his footballing ability. I’d rather he signed his new deal, but I also think he’s replaceable.

Bit like Jumbo Chisholm then.

 

[Clem]

Could Garrick play in Pans position> hes quicker and can shoot better ? Just saying like

 

[Tugboat]

Could Garrick play in Pans position> hes quicker and can shoot better ? Just saying like

No.

Not physical enough.

We need a completely new midfield.

 

[xmastree]

One of the stated aims of the Hallett regime was to develop players, either from our academy or adult recruits, and sell them for a profit. When it was just a theory, almost everyone thought this was a good idea. The first time the theory gets put into practice, many state that the player concerned is irreplacable and should be kept for a further season despite the probability of him then leaving for nothing. Anything beyond the short term tends to go out of the window for many football fans.

If the clubs Pan is being linked to are actually the ones interested (and they probably aren't), then I do wonder how much we might be offered, and whether the fuss is worthwhile. Many thought he might attract interest from top-half championship teams, and if a few of these got involved then an auction might ensue. Clubs, particularly outside the top flight, tend to spend good money if they are confident of a mega profit when he is sold again. Is a wealthier League one club really going to splash big cash on a 25 year old who will be a free agent in a year, and who towards the end of his next contract (at 27/28) is unlikely to bring in big bucks?

 

[jimsing]

One of the stated aims of the Hallett regime was to develop players, either from our academy or adult recruits, and sell them for a profit. When it was just a theory, almost everyone thought this was a good idea. The first time the theory gets put into practice, many state that the player concerned is irreplacable and should be kept for a further season despite the probability of him then leaving for nothing. Anything beyond the short term tends to go out of the window for many football fans.

If the clubs Pan is being linked to are actually the ones interested (and they probably aren't), then I do wonder how much we might be offered, and whether the fuss is worthwhile. Many thought he might attract interest from top-half championship teams, and if a few of these got involved then an auction might ensue. Clubs, particularly outside the top flight, tend to spend good money if they are confident of a mega profit when he is sold again. Is a wealthier League one club really going to splash big cash on a 25 year old who will be a free agent in a year, and who towards the end of his next contract (at 27/28) is unlikely to bring in big bucks?

The answer to your last question is YES.

27/28 yrs is a good age for a footballer. He is in his prime and he has many years ahead of him.

If you look at the bigger teams they will have many of that age and over, and if he is any good he will be well sought after.