MarkMatthews":torlkp10 said:DartingtonPilgrim":torlkp10 said:YOU DON'T HALF POST A LOT OF RUBBISH :banghead:
By your reckoning we would have 20 or more players aged from about 18 to 20 bloating our squad , in the hope that one day they may prove good enough to play in an ambitious team that are trying to climb the leagues .
Unless of course you mean , we should retain those players that have gone on to prove they will be good enough .
Hindsight is a wonderful thing .
Different managers in different leagues have made decisions on our youngsters futures ( decisions they have been paid to make ) and not many of these lads are playing at a higher level than the one they were released from , which suggests that the decisions made at the time were the correct ones .
Also different boards and chairmen have been at the club , whilst young players have been released .
ABOUT THE ONLY COMMON DENOMINATORS HAVE BEEN THAT OUR YOUNG PLAYERS HAVE GENERALLY BEEN REGARDED BY EXPERIENCED FOOTBALL PEOPLE AS NOT QUITE UP TO THE STANDARD REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF THEIR RELEASE AND THE NUMPTIES WHO BANG ON ABOUT GIVING THEM ALL A CHANCE . :furious:
The only reason why "Numbties" like me "bang on" about them not getting a chance is because recently they haven't been. Whilst personally I was sorry to see Luke Young get released and questioned whether it was the right or wrong decision at the time, as most of us do with any player regardless of background. Even the most ardent of us in the pro Young camp, wouldn't argue he wasn't given a chance.
Similarly that was never the real argument we had about Harvey, that argument was always about the quality and fairness of chances he did undeniably get and if they allowed him to showcase to his strengths, it was clear he couldn't change a game with 10 minuets to go but was very effective whilst a starter or given at least 40mins. But when you look at the amount of appearances he has you can see why many people argue he did have chances.
Purrington did get a chance eventually but there were bumps on his road under both the managers he had and as Pele rightly points out was a very lucky boy to catch a break when it came and I think he would be the first to admit that and that by the same slight degree of bad luck his career could have gone the same way as many of his peers.
However the reason why it appears we are banging on about it all the time is because many have had either no where near the chances of those three or even absolutely no chance what so ever(the later includes an entire year group who won: the Merit League, Won the qualifying league for the Merit League the next season, won back to back Devon bowls and had a SWPL Division One promotion campaign. From that I do find it bitterly disappointing all we got from that year was Cory Harvey and Bill Palfrey getting a couple of games sat on the bench! I maintain that was a scandalous wasted opportunity.)
There is no reasonable argument I don't think, to say despite getting appearances : Aaron Bentley, River Allen, Jamie Richards, or those who didn't: Callum Hall, Ben Steer, Jack Calver and Bill Palfrey were given a chance. I've left out Matt Lecointe and Ryan Lane because their situations were slightly different. As I have Rooney as we still don't what will happen with him yet.
I'm not sure if its a fairly unique thing to Argyle or if it happens across the board but I don't like how the fans don't give them much of a chance either. Look at the results of that David Munday/Herald survey, something like 67% of people who answered that wanted Jordan Bentley released. My heart sank when I saw that, I really did despair. What are these clowns judging that on exactly?! Before he has even signed his first professional contract he sees a poll with a sizeable majority not wanting him at his hometown club. Days earlier he had posted on social media how he was "delighted" and "...could not be happier to have signed for the club I've grown up supporting." I hope if Jordan has seen this poll, then it will really spur him on next season and motivate him to go and stick two fingers up to all those boo-boys (and if I wasn't on a "family" site I would be using a much stronger phrase.) Jordan has got the talent as Derek Adams issuing his first professional contract to an apprentice goes to show, so go and sock it to them mate! Its certainly strengthened my resolve in willing him on to bigger and better things that is for sure.
After only one 10 minuet substitute appearance, just under half of people polled want Alex Fletcher released. Lets not pretend that Callum Rose would have faired any better than being just about on the 50:50 line at best either, so I hope that gives them all the added motivation to kick on and position themselves to eventually get out of this: small-minded, short sighted, backwater because when I see polls like that and then see the love-ins for the likes of: Goodwillie, Osborne, Bulvitis ,people saying they didn't get chances here or Argyle should have stuck with them and when I see Paul Garita voted over Purrington for YPOTY. I just think we don't deserve people like Jordan and Alex representing this club and they deserve better.
All that said I'm hopeful they will get more chances than many of the names I listed as I'm also pretty hopeful the Development lads will have more chances and a fairer crack of the whip this season as well. I also do have hope that the majority of fans don't vote in online polls and will start with a neutral opinion towards them and judge them fairly, hopefully they can go on to enjoy a long career with the club and become firm fan favourites.
Tell me Mark , or Pele10 how many of the youngsters released by Argyle during recent years are currently playing at either the level they were released at or higher .
You and others often talk about these youngsters not being given a chance by the club ,surely as most of these lads will have been with the club since they were 9 or 10 leading on to their 2 year apprenticeship , they have been given a chance , some of them have been given a further year like the pro development boys last year . Do you not believe therefore that it is possible that these boys are not quite to the standard required ?
You may find this difficult to understand , but i would love Plymouth Argyle to produce home grown players , but only if they are good enough .
If the club set the bar high , it may discourage some youngsters but it may also push others on , with them realising how hard they need to work to become professional footballers .
The club could aspire to spend their available funds on developing young talent , a strong youth coaching set up and good quality youth coaching facilities , and then have less to spend on the more experienced player . This way of doing things may lead to the occasional sale of a talented youngster for a big fee (absolutely no guarantees on this though are there ?) ,it may also lead to a dabble with promotion (personally i feel that to be unlikely ).
The club could also bring in a manager and players with the intention of making a climb up a division or 2 , whilst trying to develop the younger players into professionals who will be capable of performing at the level we are playing at , within the budget available ( to me the first team should be our priority , and as we climb the football pyramid , there should be more money available to develop the youth structure , and the club would become a more attractive proposition to aspiring young players ).
My reasons for posting about numpties going on about the youngsters not being given a chance are the vocabulary used in many of the posts " not the minute we have to put our hands in our pocket sack them off" :furious: What exactly do you mean , that Argyle or whoever was the manager at that time deliberately released players he felt could make it because they didn't want to give them a pro contract ?
Ryan Leonard as a PRIME example :banghead: We were in the Championship when Leonard was released and picked up i believe by a league 2 club , nothing unusual in that .
From that I do find it bitterly disappointing all we got from that year was Cory Harvey and Bill Palfrey getting a couple of games sat on the bench! I maintain that was a scandalous wasted opportunity.)
Again i ask you where are these young superstars currently playing their football Mark ? How can that be scandalous ? they were deemed not good enough and currently that would appear to be the case .
One poster , who, i don't remember , even posted last year that the youngsters should have guaranteed game time in their contracts , i think 10 games was suggested . Sorry but that is ridiculous .
Mark, similarly to davie nine , i enjoy reading about our young lads performances , i would suggest however , even though these lads are undoubtedly good young players , your opinions are more than a little biased , which in itself is fine , my problem is that you appear to be trying to portray your opinion as being more valid than the professionals employed by the club . Now these professionals can get things wrong , but the lack of former Argyle youngsters who were released by the club, playing in the premier, championship or the rest of the league , would suggest that the majority of the staffs decisions are vindicated.