Argyle Fans' Trust Open Meeting for all fans

[TinTin]

Some others are saying Tony. let's not run away with the idea that 'everyone' or 'lots' of people need to the know the ins and outs of everything that goes on at PAFC towers, certainly the fans I talk to on a regular basis aren't that way inclined.

I would say that what is not needed is an avid 'committee person'. There are people (like you, Graham and many others) that like to get involved in all sorts of things (PASB/AFT as examples) which I understand and acknowledge, but perhaps it's a doer rather than a talker that they've gone for. If I was them that's what I'd pick.

I didn't know anything about this representative needed (nor should I) before Graham brought it up in his post yesterday, but I'm glad they've got on with it, rather than a show of hands or something similar.

Once again, I find myself in the position of thinking 'stop poking your noses into club business' when I see this sort of collective 'why not me' thing going on.

I, and many, many others are chuffed to bits the way the club is heading, and apart from a noisy 30 or so, I see nothing that suggests others don't think the same way.

This 'transparency' tag which some of you cling onto, is to me a flag which some of the 'I really want to be involved with the running of the club' types seem to want to beat the PAFC board around the head with.

They are the board, they are running our club well, we are top of the league, we are in the black, the freehold is being bought, if we go up, I am quite excited by the fact that we have one of the best young managers in the league.

All this 'being involved' stuff, was fine when the club needed us, but just like people are right saying 'stop saying JB saved our club' why can't we get back to letting the board run PAFC?

Ian, unwittingly or unknowingly, your very well-written piece explains WHOEVER and WHATEVER this mystery
individual may be AIN'T gonna work within the new format.

Keep the Faith :scarf:

 

[IJN]

I'm not saying 'transparency' is a bad thing Tony, mainly that certain people like to take the word and beat JB over it. What he actually meant by it perhaps was 'more transparent' - In which case he has certainly improved it since Paul Stapleton's reign.

As for me being prejudicial, yes I am, and remain that way, some people like to talk a lot, but when action is needed, they appear to not be as good as that as others. Not always obviously, but I'd say 'often'.

The other questions are valid ones but I wonder why they weren't asked at the last open meeting, surely there were enough requests on Twitter, OS and here, weren't there? I assumed by the questions that came out NAG were under some sort of whip system, but I may have been wrong on that as I did give up listening after hearing the some of the names being read out.

As for the safety of sports ground I think it a wonderful idea that a Fans Rep is involved, all we have to do now is wait to see who that is. It's certainly not me!! :lol: My idea of ground safety would be based on what I saw in the 70's not the namby pamby 'it's unsafe to stand' rubbish I read everywhere these days.

 

[IJN]

Ian, unwittingly or unknowingly, your very well-written piece explains WHOEVER and WHATEVER this mystery
individual may be AIN'T gonna work within the new format.

Keep the Faith :scarf:

I don't think I have Paul.

Because the person may not be an 'avid committee goer' doesn't mean to say he/she won't do well on a committee, if that is what you are referring to.

It's a bit like the freemasons really, you don't invite those that ask to come in, in, it's the ones that you think would serve best that are the people you want in. Allegedly, I have no links to the Masons whatsoever but if I recall correctly that's their selection criteria which always made complete sense to me.

 

[jimsing]

Does it really matter WHO the supporter's safety representative is?

I have total faith in whoever the board have to represent us as the Club's supporter's safety representative.

Why shouldn't I?

There is no advantage to the board as to who it is they have chosen to represent us.

I certainly have no interest in such things, as long as the representative is there then I am happy with the situation, and can tick off another item that I need not concern myself with.

Why don't others do the same?

 

[Quizmike]

IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT HEATH AND SAFETY.

It's not a conspiracy. Nobody cares who it is because it's a very boring thing that nobody even knew existed until Graham brought it up. It's someone to attend meetings about ladders.

Jeez...some of you are making out this to be the faked moon landings.

 

[Stan]

IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT HEATH AND SAFETY.

It's not a conspiracy. Nobody cares who it is because it's a very boring thing that nobody even knew existed until Graham brought it up. It's someone to attend meetings about ladders.

Jeez...some of you are making out this to be the faked moon landings.

I bet you wouldn't say that to Buzz Aldrin.

 

[tonycholwell]

IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT HEATH AND SAFETY.

It's not a conspiracy. Nobody cares who it is because it's a very boring thing that nobody even knew existed until Graham brought it up. It's someone to attend meetings about ladders.

Jeez...some of you are making out this to be the faked moon landings.

I bet you wouldn't say that to Buzz Aldrin.

Oh I do wish there was a "Like" button

 

[IJN]

No, that's on Facebook Tony.

 

[Knibbsworth]

IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT HEATH AND SAFETY.

It's not a conspiracy. Nobody cares who it is because it's a very boring thing that nobody even knew existed until Graham brought it up. It's someone to attend meetings about ladders.

Jeez...some of you are making out this to be the faked moon landings.

For some reason Argyle has more politics and internal infighting than the U.N.

I don't think the various fan group representatives and spokespeople have any idea how less of a poo the average fan gives for the politics.

There's maybe 50 people out of 8,000 regular home fans jockeying for importance at the club. The figure gets diluted even further when you consider the 35,000 at Wembley, the exiles, the expats, the fans that can't make home matches week in week out.

95% of the fan base really couldn't care less. The other 5% seem to squabble with such ferocity and partisanship like they are guerrillas fighting a civil war.

 

[tonycholwell]

No, that's on Facebook Tony.

Haha, which is why I carefully chose "Wish"

Which is an improvement on the Herald "thumbs"!

 

[memory man]

If what Graham Clark says is correct,that James Brent has appointed his own supporters representative to represent the fans, I would ask why he did not use a bit of common sense to stop any bitching about who he has appointed.
Ask the whole fan base who they want and have a democratic vote on it and that should keep everybody happy.
I was also at the AFT meeting and would confirm that it was not The AFT who broke off relations with the board, that decision was made by James Brent, just to put the record straight

Ask the whole fanbase,and that will keep everyone happy? I don't think so. It has become very evident over the last few weeks that certain sections of the fanbase will never agree with other factions on anything at all. Any sort of vote would only stir up further acrimony.

As I understand it, the appointed "fans representative" represents the fans views on safety issues. I trust that the individual concerned has both knowledge (of safety issues) and impartiality.

Good post. Unfortunately, I have held the view for a very long time that there is only one real and credible way ahead - to trust the owner and his board to do the right thing. First the GAS Board crashed and burned and this AFT business is classic "you can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time" with a bit of "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" mixed in. I have always found our current AFT Chairman to be a very decent and honourable man and I hate to see the way it has gone in the past few weeks and months. Hindsight has once again proved to be an exact science.

Steve did we not support the previous 2 owners.

As for the GAS Board and the AFT who was the common denominator why both have not worked.

Both of those groups have had genuine Argyle supporters on board none could engage you have got to ask why.

Why is this supporters rep surrounded in secrecy.

There are still more questions than answers, I try to be as positive as you I just can't get over the final hurdle.[/quote]

We need to look back at how the two Ronnies behaved - Ron Blindell and Ron Lucas. The Supporters' Club was just about the only fans organisation and people tended to leave it to Ron Lucas and his committee to do what was right. Their starting point was to remain neutral and generally I saw them as subservient to the Board. And that for me is part of the problem - in all walks of life subservience is no longer as common as it was back then. Anyway, nil desperandum!

 

[Wozzer]

IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT HEATH AND SAFETY.

It's not a conspiracy. Nobody cares who it is because it's a very boring thing that nobody even knew existed until Graham brought it up. It's someone to attend meetings about ladders.

Jeez...some of you are making out this to be the faked moon landings.

Nothing wrong with Health and Safety

 

[Knarf Reprah]

IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT HEATH AND SAFETY.

It's not a conspiracy. Nobody cares who it is because it's a very boring thing that nobody even knew existed until Graham brought it up. It's someone to attend meetings about ladders.

Jeez...some of you are making out this to be the faked moon landings.

Nothing wrong with Health and Safety

Correct, as long as common sense is applied.
Lyndy steps and egress need sorting though......

 

[Andy S]

Congratulations to Graham Clark.

Another tidy piece of poo stirring because the club wouldn't give him the job HE wanted.

 

[Wozzer]

IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT HEATH AND SAFETY.

It's not a conspiracy. Nobody cares who it is because it's a very boring thing that nobody even knew existed until Graham brought it up. It's someone to attend meetings about ladders.

Jeez...some of you are making out this to be the faked moon landings.

Nothing wrong with Health and Safety

Correct, as long as common sense is applied.
Lyndy steps and egress need sorting though......

In fairness mate 99% of H & S is just common sense.
Unfortunately a large amount of the population doesn't have an ounce of it.