Untenable.

[GlenwoodGreen]

Time will tell :sigh:

 

[Graham Evans]

Well said with-menace.

 

[Ham Green]

Sigh.

Out of the cup to a non-league team, squad full of inadequate players, sinking down the League 2 table, sounds familiar. 2001 - losing to Chester in the cup, wrong end of the table, playing the likes of Gritton. Babaracuda wrote an excellent article on his emotions in the immediate aftermath of the cup defeat - well worth seeking out.

He also wrote about what happened next, which needs no further explanation. It's obviously wrong to ask for a repeat of the Sturrock experience. That sort of thing happens once in a lifetime. But I don't think it's too much to ask that we approach every match with at least some cause for optimism.

Even Dan Macauley managed to stop onanising at his own reflection long enough to do something, so I have faith that Brent will eventually pull his finger out. I wonder what Peter Jones makes of all this - he was on the board in 2001 so surely he can see the similarity. I wonder what his opinion is, has he put it across to Brent, and has Brent listened?

 

[Tony Flags]

Aaaaaaaaaaaargghhhhh going to bed with another loss and he is still there. Please just go, I want to remember the excellent work through the admin and not the inexperienced manager whose interviews only make it worse.

P.S. this isn't a rant as it is only about football. Somewhere there will be a man whose window has been smashed in a gale because his neighbour forgot to tie down the BBQ. That man has gone to his neighbour and giving him hell. That my friend is a rant.

 

[X Isle]

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.....it's still Saturday here so i'll keep the momentum going.......

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......anyone in Micronesia wanna keep Saturday going?

 

[bandwagon]

I don't have anything else to say but I want to simply extend the length of this thread. As Charlie the drummer decided I shouldn't be able to sing it today I will add the words

"We want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out...

.....it's still Saturday here so i'll keep the momentum going.......

"We want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out...

......anyone in Micronesia wanna keep Saturday going?

You turncoat, thought you holidayed in the Bay of Pigs - youv'e gone all 5'o'!! :funny:

out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out, we want Fletcher out, say we want Fletcher out...etc!!

 

[Stevie Wotsa]

Ohh My God This Is Shambolic !!!!!!

Plymouth 18
Bristol Rovers 18
Wimbledon 18
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Aldershot 17
Barnet 15

 

[chester]

How is Sturrock weaving his magic at a fairly poor club? I know it would never work here again but he must have something to keep resurrecting himself. Players leave here & whilst there are a fair number who fail also a high number who do well. Take Alan Judge I know he was only on loan but he is getting rave notices at Notts. County & is talked about as being transferred for big money. Akos went from cash sricken Portsmouth to Barnsley on loan. I know we are talking big wages but how did Portsmouth afford him? Even 2 months here might have been worth it. He probably wouldn't have come anyway. If you don't ask you don't get. Now we are a rehabilitation centre for Aldershot & Bournemouth

 

[Steve Evans]

How is Sturrock weaving his magic at a fairly poor club? I know it would never work here again but he must have something to keep resurrecting himself. Playersa leave here & whilst there are a fair number who fail also a high number who do well. Take Alan Judge I know he was only on loan but he is getting rave notices at Notts. County & is talked about as being transferred for big money. Akos went from cash sricken Portsmouth to Barnsley on loan. I know we are talking big wages but how did Portsmouth afford him? Even 2 months here might have been worth it. He probably wouldn't have come anyway. If you don't ask you don't get. Now we are a rehabilitation centre for Aldershot & Bournemouth

the players respect him and are willing to give total commitment to the cause.you don't see that at argyle do you?

 

[Steve Evans]

i have just been up to the car boot and the players are not in for training!what a disgrace!more elementary errors by our management team

 

[Dan Ellard]

He has to go.And preferably he'll take the bloke with the drum with him.

The drummer did the right thing - Fletcher out chants don't help whilst the game is going on. Save them til after the final whistle.

 

[Brixton 'ill Pilgrim]

Unfortunately, I don't think he will be sacked.

James Brent has said many times, that to an outsider with a background in other businesses, the turnover of managers in football is shocking, and he wants to run Argyle on a more stable, long-term basis.

I also recall Peter Jones being publicly critical of the decision to sack Bobby Williamson in 2005. Again, said he hadn't had a fair crack of the whip etc.

That is heartening and admirable on one level. But in this particular context, the manager in post was spectacularly under-qualified for the position in the first place. Fletcher has no track record, even in non-league football or as a reserve/youth/assistant coach, of developing players, scouting opponents or potential signings, man management, training and organising a team tactically etc. It seems unthinkable that we would appoint a manager without any evidence that he possesses any of these vital skills, but that is what happened.

In Europe, where they place more of a premium on the technical development of players, he probably wouldn't be allowed to manage a professional team.

It's obvious from, amongst other things, that the constant random changes to the starting XI; the goals we concede from setpieces; and the desperate loan signings that the task has completely overwhelmed him.

He has to go.

 

[RWW]

Esmer - I really respect your view and your positive outlook on things.

However, can you explain the situation Argyle would need to be in for you to want CF sacked?

Thanks

 

[Penlee]

Mr Brent has said on record that he believes in young players and long term planning. I have heard second hand from a business acquaintance that he has also said he won't run PAFC on a short term basis like the rest of football and have a high turnaround of managers. He must be desparate to retain Fletcher as he clearly likes and admires him.

How long will his nerve hold though?

 

[Green Matt]

Unfortunately, I don't think he will be sacked.

James Brent has said many times, that to an outsider with a background in other businesses, the turnover of managers in football is shocking, and he wants to run Argyle on a more stable, long-term basis.

I also recall Peter Jones being publicly critical of the decision to sack Bobby Williamson in 2005. Again, said he hadn't had a fair crack of the whip etc.

That is heartening and admirable on one level. But in this particular context, the manager in post was spectacularly under-qualified for the position in the first place. Fletcher has no track record, even in non-league football or as a reserve/youth/assistant coach, of developing players, scouting opponents or potential signings, man management, training and organising a team tactically etc. It seems unthinkable that we would appoint a manager without any evidence that he possesses any of these vital skills, but that is what happened.

In Europe, where they place more of a premium on the technical development of players, he probably wouldn't be allowed to manage a professional team.

It's obvious from, amongst other things, that the constant random changes to the starting XI; the goals we concede from setpieces; and the desperate loan signings that the task has completely overwhelmed him.

He has to go.

Good post. Looking back, I wonder if Peter Jones still thinks that we should have stuck with Bobby? Look at the managers that followed him and the immediate improvement Pulis made. On the subject of Fletcher, I agree that it might be worth sticking with him if only there was any real evidence that he is able to properly manage a football club and give it the required level of leadership. Clubs keep changing and going back in for the likes of Warnock and Sturrock for good reason (at times), just like they sometimes leave for good reason. Warnock's had so many jobs but it doesn't mean he's done badly in any of them or failed to help the clubs themselves. He got Argyle turned around in no time at all and made us a force at this level. Look at Bryan Gunn at Norwich - everyone thought he was a good bloke and an experienced pro (correct in playing terms) but Norwich bottomed-out.