Leigh Rapson":3n5lit9c said:But it also takes a decent manager with tactical know how. That's what we are lacking. No disgrace just very upset and passionate argyle fans who have had enough.
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Leigh Rapson":3n5lit9c said:But it also takes a decent manager with tactical know how. That's what we are lacking. No disgrace just very upset and passionate argyle fans who have had enough.
Soze":3109aq09 said:Why argue over whether we were playing teams at the top or bottom? Argyle should be competing easily with anybody in this league, it's defeatisim to keep harking back to the struggles of recent years, we're out of administration and Fletch was allegedly given a budget at least the equal of any other team in this division. We should be comfortably in the top half, not with half a foot in the relegation zone after a 6 game winless streak.
Ade the green":24uf0hrq said:Ollieargyle9":24uf0hrq said:Dan Ellard":24uf0hrq said:commander_funk":24uf0hrq said:1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
To pick out this point in particular - before the previous 4/5 games (so in the first 15 games of the season) we barely played any sides in the top half - a lot of "winnable" games as you put it - and we won 4. Hardly breathtaking form is it?
Lets put this point to bed shall we?
League table
Gillingham Draw 2-2 (H)
Port Vale Loss 3-1 (H)
Cheltenahm Loss 2-1 (A)
Fleetwood Loss 3-0 (A)
Bradford Loss 1-0 (A)
Rochdale Won 3-1 (H)
Exeter
Southend Draw 1-1 (H)
Northampton Won 3-1 (H)
Burton Loss 2-1 (H)
Rotherham Loss 1-0 (A)
Chesterfield
Torquay Draw 1-1 (A)
Accrington
York
Dagenham Draw 0-0 (A)
Morecambe Won 3-2 (A)
Oxford Utd Loss 2-1 (A)
Plymouth N/A
Wimbledon Loss 2-1 (H)
Bristol Rvrs Draw 0-0 (H)
Aldershot Loss 2-0 (H)
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Wycombe Draw 1-1 (A)
Barnet Won 4-1 (A)
As you can see the bottom half is no more green than the top, the only reason it has a couple of grey gaps in between those red defeats is because we are down the bottom seperating a couple of reds.
My point is the so called "winnable" games don't seem to be going any better than those that are considered a lot harder to win. Who we play is irrelevant, we just can't seem to beat anybody top or bottom at the moment.
Good point almost made but, that is the table today and does not necessarily show where they were when we played them. I'm almost sure both Burton and Rotherham were higher. Not much difference.
Also, it shows that by and large we've lost by the odd goal more times than got slaughtered and that when we've won we must have been on fire as each victory has seen us score 3 goals.
Probably makes no difference but there is also no mention of how many players we've ended the games with.
I think that without producing a spreadsheet the one glaring error that Carl Fletcher has made is that he will not leave the bloody team alone from one game to the next.
Womble":2dseistm said:All hail the superfan! Everything is great! We are not going down! We do not have a clueless oaf in charge!
briangreen":2dveu8ep said:Womble":2dveu8ep said:All hail the superfan! Everything is great! We are not going down! We do not have a clueless oaf in charge!
briangreen":25eardob said:Womble":25eardob said:All hail the superfan! Everything is great! We are not going down! We do not have a clueless oaf in charge!
For me this represents the general attitude on here. If any one is clueless it's probably people commenting on football who have never played a professional game in their lives and my suggestion is if you have a problem with with any part of the club is either contact James Brent directly (Nikk reckons he's very approachable) or go and support one of the teams up the road and you can tell them they're cr@p instead. Because at the end of the day it doesn't matter how good a team maybe or how good the potential is, people will always find something wrong if they really want to.
I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with the set up, even I'm not that blinkered, but this club has been through a real battering and needs time to recover. If at crimble we are still in this situation I will probably be joining the rest and demanding a change myself, but I think he should be given our wholehearted support until that time, he could still surprise us.
your sincerely
ever the optimist
anotherfan":3ir798tp said:I have to agree.
Frankly, it was always going to be another season of struggling. Compared the to the beginning of last year, Argyle have a better league position this year. The much vaunted "competitive budget", based on all the evidence never materialised (if it even existed in the first place).
Simply put, there's no money for players, no money for a manager, no money to pay staff, and the club is still struggling to turn break even.
The question isn't whether we need different personnel (on and off field) it's whether we can afford them. And we can't.
At the start of the season, I would have been happy with just avoiding relegation (maybe hovering just above the relegation zone for the season). I think any talk of a mid table finish or even competing on a level playing field with clubs in the playoff zone really underestimates the profound structural problems the club faces as well as the long uphill battle to become a stable ongoing concern.
A lot of people want Fletcher out (and based on results, his position is hanging by a thread), however what's the alternative? We can't afford anyone else. And even if we could afford a manager with pedigree, we can't give him a decent (or any) budget to build a team. What manager is going to want to take on that job?
I want Argyle to to well as much as the next guy, but there needs to be a bit of reality injected into the discourse.
briangreen":2skuz8ab said:Womble":2skuz8ab said:All hail the superfan! Everything is great! We are not going down! We do not have a clueless oaf in charge!
For me this represents the general attitude on here. If any one is clueless it's probably people commenting on football who have never played a professional game in their lives and my suggestion is if you have a problem with with any part of the club is either contact James Brent directly (Nikk reckons he's very approachable) or go and support one of the teams up the road and you can tell them they're cr@p instead. Because at the end of the day it doesn't matter how good a team maybe or how good the potential is, people will always find something wrong if they really want to.
I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with the set up, even I'm not that blinkered, but this club has been through a real battering and needs time to recover. If at crimble we are still in this situation I will probably be joining the rest and demanding a change myself, but I think he should be given our wholehearted support until that time, he could still surprise us.
your sincerely
ever the optimist
jerryatricjanner":1yy11uc6 said:There's plenty of top top ex pros who spout utter clap trap as pundits too and many have been disasters as coaches and managers.
briangreen":32hf9bo3 said:Womble":32hf9bo3 said:All hail the superfan! Everything is great! We are not going down! We do not have a clueless oaf in charge!
For me this represents the general attitude on here. If any one is clueless it's probably people commenting on football who have never played a professional game in their lives and my suggestion is if you have a problem with with any part of the club is either contact James Brent directly (Nikk reckons he's very approachable) or go and support one of the teams up the road and you can tell them they're cr@p instead. Because at the end of the day it doesn't matter how good a team maybe or how good the potential is, people will always find something wrong if they really want to.
I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with the set up, even I'm not that blinkered, but this club has been through a real battering and needs time to recover. If at crimble we are still in this situation I will probably be joining the rest and demanding a change myself, but I think he should be given our wholehearted support until that time, he could still surprise us.
your sincerely
ever the optimist