commander_funk":3kv5ehdf said:Dan Ellard":3kv5ehdf said:commander_funk":3kv5ehdf said:1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
To pick out this point in particular - before the previous 4/5 games (so in the first 15 games of the season) we barely played any sides in the top half - a lot of "winnable" games as you put it - and we won 4. Hardly breathtaking form is it?
Not at all. But it was upper mid-table form, which is surely all we were expecting?
Poor Commander Funk. Argument totally crushed! Excellent work, greenskin.Greenskin":2k60at8m said:Aerok":2k60at8m said:Welcome to your opinion - well made.
We'll agree to disagree ;-)
It wasn't well made,though.He says about the recent fixture list being tough.Really? Lets look at tonights results of teams Argyle have played recently.
Gillingham 2 Exeter 3
Rotherham 2 Wycombe 3
Chesterfield 4 Cheltenham 1
Burton 0 Aldershot 1
Fleetwood 1 Accrington 3
Those results would hardly suggest that the teams played recently are world beaters and the most significant point is that they were all achieved by teams with considerably less reources than Argyle should have.Its just excuse making,if indeed the budget allocated to Fletcher was as large as has been mooted.I hope that come the final reckoning at the end of the season,the results achieved by Aldershot and Wycombe tonight are not seen as turning points in their respective seasons to the detriment of Argyle's status-we are sinking fast and urgent action needs to be taken to address the situation.
Dan Ellard":1wssbby6 said:commander_funk":1wssbby6 said:1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
To pick out this point in particular - before the previous 4/5 games (so in the first 15 games of the season) we barely played any sides in the top half - a lot of "winnable" games as you put it - and we won 4. Hardly breathtaking form is it?
point number 1 i have seen most of them games and to be honest it makes our situation worse because if they are the best in the league we are f....d they were all poor sides and we could not beat any of them.commander_funk":1gf23rmc said:I've only skimmed through a couple of threads tonight, but they have reminded me why I don't come on PASOTI when we've lost a few games. All responsible for it should be ashamed the crushing negativity, frankly it's a big chunk of the reason why Plymouth never gets what it deserves.
1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
2) This is a young team, the commentators picked up on it at Dorchester, their team actually had more league experience than ours!. They will be inconsistant, that's the problem with young/inexperienced players. The slating of Rhys Griffiths is ludicrous as are the expectations pinned on him. Live in the real world.
3) Were people really expecting a play-off push? I mean really? Anybody? Mid table was always the goal, and all teams have bad runs, it's not like we're being stuffed every week.
4) Stop picking on players! Remember how Durrell Berry has improved beyond recognition. If we'd spent money on proven players I'd understand it but getting on peoples' back surely solves nothing. It's insanity.
5) League table, 3 years (and a lot of money spent) into Sir Alex Ferguson's reign: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1989-1990/table/1989-12-30.
Be patient. You can't build a team overnight with no money, it takes time. Circumstances intervene sometimes. Plus we have nothing like the resources Luggy or Warnock for example had.
And with that, I'm going to find something less soul destroying to do.
commander_funk":k2b8fpt0 said:I've only skimmed through a couple of threads tonight, but they have reminded me why I don't come on PASOTI when we've lost a few games. All responsible for it should be ashamed the crushing negativity, frankly it's a big chunk of the reason why Plymouth never gets what it deserves.
1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
2) This is a young team, the commentators picked up on it at Dorchester, their team actually had more league experience than ours!. They will be inconsistant, that's the problem with young/inexperienced players. The slating of Rhys Griffiths is ludicrous as are the expectations pinned on him. Live in the real world.
3) Were people really expecting a play-off push? I mean really? Anybody? Mid table was always the goal, and all teams have bad runs, it's not like we're being stuffed every week.
4) Stop picking on players! Remember how Durrell Berry has improved beyond recognition. If we'd spent money on proven players I'd understand it but getting on peoples' back surely solves nothing. It's insanity.
5) League table, 3 years (and a lot of money spent) into Sir Alex Ferguson's reign: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1989-1990/table/1989-12-30.
Be patient. You can't build a team overnight with no money, it takes time. Circumstances intervene sometimes. Plus we have nothing like the resources Luggy or Warnock for example had.
And with that, I'm going to find something less soul destroying to do.
it's not like we're being stuffed every week.
anotherfan":1d1xg0mt said:I have to agree.
Frankly, it was always going to be another season of struggling. Compared the to the beginning of last year, Argyle have a better league position this year. The much vaunted "competitive budget", based on all the evidence never materialised (if it even existed in the first place).
Simply put, there's no money for players, no money for a manager, no money to pay staff, and the club is still struggling to turn break even.
The question isn't whether we need different personnel (on and off field) it's whether we can afford them. And we can't.
A lot of people want Fletcher out (and based on results, his position is hanging by a thread), however what's the alternative? We can't afford anyone else. And even if we could afford a manager with pedigree, we can't give him a decent (or any) budget to build a team. What manager is going to want to take on that job?
commander_funk":gxvj3538 said:I've only skimmed through a couple of threads tonight, but they have reminded me why I don't come on PASOTI when we've lost a few games. All responsible for it should be ashamed the crushing negativity, frankly it's a big chunk of the reason why Plymouth never gets what it deserves.
All excellent points but I fear you may be wasting your time airing them on here.commander_funk":32wiott5 said:I've only skimmed through a couple of threads tonight, but they have reminded me why I don't come on PASOTI when we've lost a few games. All responsible for it should be ashamed the crushing negativity, frankly it's a big chunk of the reason why Plymouth never gets what it deserves.
1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
2) This is a young team, the commentators picked up on it at Dorchester, their team actually had more league experience than ours!. They will be inconsistant, that's the problem with young/inexperienced players. The slating of Rhys Griffiths is ludicrous as are the expectations pinned on him. Live in the real world.
3) Were people really expecting a play-off push? I mean really? Anybody? Mid table was always the goal, and all teams have bad runs, it's not like we're being stuffed every week.
4) Stop picking on players! Remember how Durrell Berry has improved beyond recognition. If we'd spent money on proven players I'd understand it but getting on peoples' back surely solves nothing. It's insanity.
5) League table, 3 years (and a lot of money spent) into Sir Alex Ferguson's reign: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1989-1990/table/1989-12-30.
Be patient. You can't build a team overnight with no money, it takes time. Circumstances intervene sometimes. Plus we have nothing like the resources Luggy or Warnock for example had.
And with that, I'm going to find something less soul destroying to do.
Ollieargyle9":2y2noydw said:Dan Ellard":2y2noydw said:commander_funk":2y2noydw said:1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
To pick out this point in particular - before the previous 4/5 games (so in the first 15 games of the season) we barely played any sides in the top half - a lot of "winnable" games as you put it - and we won 4. Hardly breathtaking form is it?
Lets put this point to bed shall we?
League table
Gillingham Draw 2-2 (H)
Port Vale Loss 3-1 (H)
Cheltenahm Loss 2-1 (A)
Fleetwood Loss 3-0 (A)
Bradford Loss 1-0 (A)
Rochdale Won 3-1 (H)
Exeter
Southend Draw 1-1 (H)
Northampton Won 3-1 (H)
Burton Loss 2-1 (H)
Rotherham Loss 1-0 (A)
Chesterfield
Torquay Draw 1-1 (A)
Accrington
York
Dagenham Draw 0-0 (A)
Morecambe Won 3-2 (A)
Oxford Utd Loss 2-1 (A)
Plymouth N/A
Wimbledon Loss 2-1 (H)
Bristol Rvrs Draw 0-0 (H)
Aldershot Loss 2-0 (H)
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Wycombe Draw 1-1 (A)
Barnet Won 4-1 (A)
As you can see the bottom half is no more green than the top, the only reason it has a couple of grey gaps in between those red defeats is because we are down the bottom seperating a couple of reds.
My point is the so called "winnable" games don't seem to be going any better than those that are considered a lot harder to win. Who we play is irrelevant, we just can't seem to beat anybody top or bottom at the moment.
Ollieargyle9":3d16seiw said:Dan Ellard":3d16seiw said:commander_funk":3d16seiw said:1) Look at who we've played the last 4/5 games. All top 6 sides or near enough, mostly away. when you're doing your pools coupons how many would you honestly expect us to win? The fixture list hasn't been kind to CF after the Dorchester debacle. The next 4/5 games are much more winnable, we should see a difference.
To pick out this point in particular - before the previous 4/5 games (so in the first 15 games of the season) we barely played any sides in the top half - a lot of "winnable" games as you put it - and we won 4. Hardly breathtaking form is it?
Lets put this point to bed shall we?
League table
Gillingham Draw 2-2 (H)
Port Vale Loss 3-1 (H)
Cheltenahm Loss 2-1 (A)
Fleetwood Loss 3-0 (A)
Bradford Loss 1-0 (A)
Rochdale Won 3-1 (H)
Exeter
Southend Draw 1-1 (H)
Northampton Won 3-1 (H)
Burton Loss 2-1 (H)
Rotherham Loss 1-0 (A)
Chesterfield
Torquay Draw 1-1 (A)
Accrington
York
Dagenham Draw 0-0 (A)
Morecambe Won 3-2 (A)
Oxford Utd Loss 2-1 (A)
Plymouth N/A
Wimbledon Loss 2-1 (H)
Bristol Rvrs Draw 0-0 (H)
Aldershot Loss 2-0 (H)
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Wycombe Draw 1-1 (A)
Barnet Won 4-1 (A)
As you can see the bottom half is no more green than the top, the only reason it has a couple of grey gaps in between those red defeats is because we are down the bottom seperating a couple of reds.
My point is the so called "winnable" games don't seem to be going any better than those that are considered a lot harder to win. Who we play is irrelevant, we just can't seem to beat anybody top or bottom at the moment.