The new era

[gaspargomez]

I think the cost of that was beyond the clubs current means. A stepping stone to increasing commercial revenues is better then no step at all.

Of course the money is easy to spend when it is not your money, eh?

I think the original idea (from about 10-15 years ago when it was all owned by the Council) was that some commercial developments in the Home Park area could help fund a brand new grandstand. Although this is not an ideal location for commercial development, it could be justified on the basis that there would be public benefits (in the form of funding towards a better stadium for the city). That is why the idea was in Council's Action Plan for the area.

Unfortunately, the planning permission recently granted for a hotel, shops etc. in the area is now separate from club. No money from that development will be used to help fund the stadium improvements.

If the Council had been smarter, I think they might have been able to get some development money to help build a brand new grandstand- corners and all.

 

[jimsing]

I think the cost of that was beyond the clubs current means. A stepping stone to increasing commercial revenues is better then no step at all.

Of course the money is easy to spend when it is not your money, eh?

I think the original idea (from about 10-15 years ago when it was all owned by the Council) was that some commercial developments in the Home Park area could help fund a brand new grandstand. Although this is not an ideal location for commercial development, it could be justified on the basis that there would be public benefits (in the form of funding towards a better stadium for the city). That is why the idea was in Council's Action Plan for the area.

Unfortunately, the planning permission recently granted for a hotel, shops etc. in the area is now separate from club. No money from that development will be used to help fund the stadium improvements.

If the Council had been smarter, I think they might have been able to get some development money to help build a brand new grandstand- corners and all.

It always was separate from the Club. The hotel, shops etc are not attached to any part of the Club, either now or in the past.

 

[The Grumpy Loyal]

I think the cost of that was beyond the clubs current means. A stepping stone to increasing commercial revenues is better then no step at all.

Of course the money is easy to spend when it is not your money, eh?

I think the original idea (from about 10-15 years ago when it was all owned by the Council) was that some commercial developments in the Home Park area could help fund a brand new grandstand. Although this is not an ideal location for commercial development, it could be justified on the basis that there would be public benefits (in the form of funding towards a better stadium for the city). That is why the idea was in Council's Action Plan for the area.

Unfortunately, the planning permission recently granted for a hotel, shops etc. in the area is now separate from club. No money from that development will be used to help fund the stadium improvements.

If the Council had been smarter, I think they might have been able to get some development money to help build a brand new grandstand- corners and all.

It always was separate from the Club. The hotel, shops etc are not attached to any part of the Club, either now or in the past.

Blimey Jim, you really need a history lesson.

One of the main reasons HHP Mk1 failed was because Brent couldn't flog the retail units BUILT IN to the planned Grandstand. And there was a hotel on the plans literally overlooking the Barn Park/ Grandstand corner.

 

[gaspargomez]

It always was separate from the Club. The hotel, shops etc are not attached to any part of the Club, either now or in the past.

Separate from the club, but originally all in public ownership.

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

New era?

Clean sheet? Start again?

New owner having studied what the refurbished grandstand will achieve for Argyle thinks mmmmmmmmmm not really good enough. Shall we recalculate see if it is viable to complete the Grandstand anew as in Grandstand two tiers, filled in corners, matching the original plans of 2001

Wishful thinking? pie in the sky? Hopefully being considered, otherwise, not much of a new era is it?

Here's hoping for a big new fresh impetus building on what looks like solid foundations.

Onwards and upwards.


COYG

The refurb isn't about seat capacity at this time, it's about what is behind and below the stand and what additional income that will bring. Empty seats wouldn't help the club move forward at this time.

That depends entirely on how forward thinking you are. If you are forward thinking enough, you build with aspirations of putting a Grandstand in place NOW, i.e. possibly not what is required now in league 1, but what would certainly benefit us when we inevitably return to tier2 as we always have throughout our history. Remember so long as we retain our current tier3 status, a possible tier 2 return is only ever 12 months away every year. I guarantee you when we get promoted the vast majority of people won't want cash spent on additional bricks and mortar then, they'll want it spent on the team, and rightly so.

The current Boardroom changes have created a potentially huge Watershed moment for Argyle. Let's hope the maximum amount of ambition is now shown.

If a club isn't selling out EVERY home game then their capacity is too big for them. Empty seats don't earn a club anything. I get the catch 22 on when to increase the capacity but when money is tight, you have be wise.

 

[jimsing]

I think the cost of that was beyond the clubs current means. A stepping stone to increasing commercial revenues is better then no step at all.

Of course the money is easy to spend when it is not your money, eh?

I think the original idea (from about 10-15 years ago when it was all owned by the Council) was that some commercial developments in the Home Park area could help fund a brand new grandstand. Although this is not an ideal location for commercial development, it could be justified on the basis that there would be public benefits (in the form of funding towards a better stadium for the city). That is why the idea was in Council's Action Plan for the area.

Unfortunately, the planning permission recently granted for a hotel, shops etc. in the area is now separate from club. No money from that development will be used to help fund the stadium improvements.

If the Council had been smarter, I think they might have been able to get some development money to help build a brand new grandstand- corners and all.

It always was separate from the Club. The hotel, shops etc are not attached to any part of the Club, either now or in the past.

Blimey Jim, you really need a history lesson.

One of the main reasons HHP Mk1 failed was because Brent couldn't flog the retail units BUILT IN to the planned Grandstand. And there was a hotel on the plans literally overlooking the Barn Park/ Grandstand corner.

We're not talking about the original plans that Brent had, Grumps.

We're talking about the current planning approval for the hotel and shops which is well away from Home Park, by the vets at the other side of the Life Centre.

Keep up.

 

[The Grumpy Loyal]

I think the cost of that was beyond the clubs current means. A stepping stone to increasing commercial revenues is better then no step at all.

Of course the money is easy to spend when it is not your money, eh?

I think the original idea (from about 10-15 years ago when it was all owned by the Council) was that some commercial developments in the Home Park area could help fund a brand new grandstand. Although this is not an ideal location for commercial development, it could be justified on the basis that there would be public benefits (in the form of funding towards a better stadium for the city). That is why the idea was in Council's Action Plan for the area.

Unfortunately, the planning permission recently granted for a hotel, shops etc. in the area is now separate from club. No money from that development will be used to help fund the stadium improvements.

If the Council had been smarter, I think they might have been able to get some development money to help build a brand new grandstand- corners and all.

It always was separate from the Club. The hotel, shops etc are not attached to any part of the Club, either now or in the past.

Blimey Jim, you really need a history lesson.

One of the main reasons HHP Mk1 failed was because Brent couldn't flog the retail units BUILT IN to the planned Grandstand. And there was a hotel on the plans literally overlooking the Barn Park/ Grandstand corner.

We're not talking about the original plans that Brent had, Grumps.

We're talking about the current planning approval for the hotel and shops which is well away from Home Park, by the vets at the other side of the Life Centre.

Keep up.

Keeping up is difficult with you when you state "either now or in the past", then decide that isn't what you really mean!

 

[CADMAN]

I'm with you on this grumpy. There seems to be mass amnesia when HHP is mentioned. Hopefully, this is in the past now and the majority of the land can be used to the benefit of our football club.

 

[gaspargomez]

I had a look at the Council's Area Action Plan from years ago when all the land was in public ownership and it says...

Proposal CP 02
Home Park
To deliver major improvements to Home Park Stadium and support the extension of Plymouth Argyle
Football Club’s programmes of training and fitness within the community, engagement with the city’s
youth, through developing its southern stand for supporters, corporate clients and hospitality, and through
complementary commercial development potentially including:
A leisure or sporting facility such as indoor tennis, specialist sports training, ten-pin bowling;
Conference and exhibition space;
A hotel;
Leisure and sports related retailing of an appropriate scale and nature consistent with the Core
Refreshment retailing (Use Class A3) to provide a range of services and choice including Healthy
Eating outlets.

Unfortunately, once some of the land got into private ownership, the main reason for this policy "To deliver major improvements to Home Park Stadium" got forgotten about.

The current proposals for a hotel, shops etc are not in the place originally intended and nor do they help to deliver major improvements to Home Park Stadium.

My only point in all of this that the Council might have secured money for a better a grandstand had it played it cards right. Which it didn't !

So Hallett might have saved some money. Anyhow- we are where we are.