Humble Pie

[up the line]

I hope a significant number of the posters on here are now eating a large slice of humble pie after Adams has turned the season around

He’s too good a manager not to have

When he does go let’s hope he doesn’t get the lacking loyalty poo - the abuse he got was a f1king joke

This hasn’t aged well, has it? A lesson in hubris for a few people, I’d hope.

I've written some poo on Pasoti but this humble pie thread has to be the most cretinous thing ever put on here :funny:

 

[Cult Of Personality]

I hope a significant number of the posters on here are now eating a large slice of humble pie after Adams has turned the season around

He’s too good a manager not to have

When he does go let’s hope he doesn’t get the lacking loyalty poo - the abuse he got was a f1king joke

Better start eating that pie

 

[Carlo]

Ouch.

 

[Deacster]

The problem is with a manager like Adams is that he will divide opinion and we need to be a united club to move forwards. This thread wasn't helpful when it was started and is no better now the pendulum has swung the other way.

 

[Metal Green Mickey]

To be honest there are fans even today who can’t stand any criticism against Adams.

Today when Argyle 3 subs came in and the fans sang “you don’t know what your doing” one guy turned around to people near him and berated the people chanting this.

I must admit l smiled. This guy was furious with people and l just wondered to myself if this is part of the problem. People will find any reason (refs, injuries, the players etc..) but because they whole heartily supported this manager they will not blame him for our current predicament.

Maybe they are trying to save face. Maybe if they admit it to themselves about Adams not being as good as they thought it may mean they somehow can’t deal with the emotions that will bring. It’s embarrassing for them.

Yet we all get things wrong. Like UTL says we all say stuff and probably look back and think l shouldn’t of said that. It’s because we are passionate about this club. We have to remember its just an opinion after all. It’s ridiculous all these run ins with have with each other when lm afraid in a situation like this there we should be united as a fan base more than ever because there is only one person to blame, Derek Adams.

 

[Green Matt]

People will get testy with one another in situations such as this. My only hope is that the team and manager can find a way to get us out of the mess. Support or criticism from the stands should make no difference if they are professional enough. What I see, however, is a manager who can only set us up to play one way.

 

[Tugboat]

The problem is with a manager like Adams is that he will divide opinion and we need to be a united club to move forwards. This thread wasn't helpful when it was started and is no better now the pendulum has swung the other way.

You don’t just stop supporting someone overnight. You give them chances to change your opinion and try and convince you that whatever the problem is, they are capable of rectifying.

He’s had long enough for people to see his pros and cons, His highs and lows and form an opinion over him if what he offers is suitable for this club.

The majority of the fan base for the majority of his tenure would probably say he’s been average at best. Glimpses of brilliance (purple patch last season) and unwatchable, infuriating and clueless for large parts.

The whole ‘other duties’ thing he holds down within the club doesn’t sit well with me either. It’s more control for him and whatever it is he does doesn’t seem to be having any positive effect towards the footballing team.

The whole club needs restructuring from top to bottom.

A footballing chairman, a structured boardroom that have a clear and targeted structure for the club to follow. A full and competent management team that adhere to an ethical and style of play that the advertised job requires them to implement.

We need a direction. Not just a refurbished stand and driftwood talk of championship football to try and fool supporters each season.

Everything we have right now, board, management, players, facility’s all feel half arsed and part time. It needs ripping into and up heaving with a weeding programme overseen by a new strong leader sitting at the top alongside SH.

 

[Metal Green Mickey]

That will take a money person, Tugboat.

We have been searching for years for our own millionaire/billionaire.

The problem with this is simple. Most of these types of owners have egos so big they eventually end up destroying the club, not making it stronger.

It’s a gamble. Yet one we probably need to do at some stage if we ever want to be a “big” club.

 

[Mannamead Green]

The problem is with a manager like Adams is that he will divide opinion and we need to be a united club to move forwards. This thread wasn't helpful when it was started and is no better now the pendulum has swung the other way.

You don’t just stop supporting someone overnight. You give them chances to change your opinion and try and convince you that whatever the problem is, they are capable of rectifying.

He’s had long enough for people to see his pros and cons, His highs and lows and form an opinion over him if what he offers is suitable for this club.

The majority of the fan base for the majority of his tenure would probably say he’s been average at best. Glimpses of brilliance (purple patch last season) and unwatchable, infuriating and clueless for large parts.

The whole ‘other duties’ thing he holds down within the club doesn’t sit well with me either. It’s more control for him and whatever it is he does doesn’t seem to be having any positive effect towards the footballing team.

The whole club needs restructuring from top to bottom.

A footballing chairman, a structured boardroom that have a clear and targeted structure for the club to follow. A full and competent management team that adhere to an ethical and style of play that the advertised job requires them to implement.

We need a direction. Not just a refurbished stand and driftwood talk of championship football to try and fool supporters each season.

Everything we have right now, board, management, players, facility’s all feel half arsed and part time. It needs ripping into and up heaving with a weeding programme overseen by a new strong leader sitting at the top alongside SH.

Agree with this.

Football has been trending away from the age of totalitarian managers who have full control over all decisions related to the playing side of the club. For the simple reason that it is impossible for one man to be as effective when they are spread over so many jobs. You can employ people with specialist knowledge in youth coaching, the transfer market etc. It promotes continuity, so the club isn't in crisis when one employee leaves like it can be if an all-powerful manager leaves.

Why, then, did we give Adams such a wide-ranging role? Seems incredibly old-fashioned and, now, rather naive.

 

[up the line]

What does humble pie taste like anyway?I've not had any since this stupid thread

 

[Tugboat]

That will take a money person, Tugboat.

We have been searching for years for our own millionaire/billionaire.

The problem with this is simple. Most of these types of owners have egos so big they eventually end up destroying the club, not making it stronger.

It’s a gamble. Yet one we probably need to do at some stage if we ever want to be a “big” club.

It doesn't mate.

It takes the right people in the right places. Someone to come in a put a structure in place. Like an administrator does to clear debt

A hard liner that sets a precedent.

SH sets out his vision of what he wants and hands over the reins to the guy that then weeds out the floaters within the club and puts in pillars of experience and actions.

It may only be 2 out 3 in but from that we can strengthen and it breeds quality and standards.

Adams is gone for me.

This is all for next season.

 

[xmastree]

I think it's fairly plain why Adams was given such a wide role. Simon Hallett, and James Brent before him, saw a man who undoubtedly has huge commitment and a strong work ethic, who they trusted, and who they perhaps believed was a better manager than he actually is. With focus so much on the Development, it surely made sense in their eyes to pass everything football wise to this committed man, allowing them space to oversee the huge amount going on off the field. A longer contract, a new title, and presumably a bigger salary were part of the arrangement. I've always been nervous about this one, but it gives me no pleasure to see the problems that have arisen through it.

It is very difficult to criticise Simon Hallett given his huge loan to enable the Development. However, I'm afraid to say that the Board have been guilty of taking their eye off the football side. Undoubtedly, and rightly, delighted with 7th place last season, they apparently saw no reason to conduct a detailed investigation into the horrendous start to that campaign. After another awful start to this season, it seemed at the time of the January window that Adams had got things under control and that a repeat surge up the table was happening. Consequently incoming activity was restricted to loaning 2 players we knew all about (Threlkeld and Jones), and the rather bizarre signing of Anderson who has vanished without trace.

The perception of a drifting ship is not helped by Simon Hallett being based in America. His comments, sometimes taken more literally than they should be, occasionally suggest he doesn't empathise with the way fans are thinking. The Development, inevitably, is costing more than budgeted, putting a short term squeeze on playing funds. To me (and I know many disagree) the appointment of Parkinson as CEO further implied that the Development is more important than the current playing side. That's nothing against the very necessary Development, or against Andrew Parkinson's impressive CV. Long term the Development is certainly more important, but for some fans who have made long journeys to watch a shambolic display, the present is more important than is being acknowledged. The sudden slide towards relegation has been a shock to many who felt we were in safe hands.

 

[Tugboat]

I think it's fairly plain why Adams was given such a wide role. Simon Hallett, and James Brent before him, saw a man who undoubtedly has huge commitment and a strong work ethic, who they trusted, and who they perhaps believed was a better manager than he actually is. With focus so much on the Development, it surely made sense in their eyes to pass everything football wise to this committed man, allowing them space to oversee the huge amount going on off the field. A longer contract, a new title, and presumably a bigger salary were part of the arrangement. I've always been nervous about this one, but it gives me no pleasure to see the problems that have arisen through it.

It is very difficult to criticise Simon Hallett given his huge loan to enable the Development. However, I'm afraid to say that the Board have been guilty of taking their eye off the football side. Undoubtedly, and rightly, delighted with 7th place last season, they apparently saw no reason to conduct a detailed investigation into the horrendous start to that campaign. After another awful start to this season, it seemed at the time of the January window that Adams had got things under control and that a repeat surge up the table was happening. Consequently incoming activity was restricted to loaning 2 players we knew all about (Threlkeld and Jones), and the rather bizarre signing of Anderson who has vanished without trace.

The perception of a drifting ship is not helped by Simon Hallett being based in America. His comments, sometimes taken more literally than they should be, occasionally suggest he doesn't emphasise with the way fans are thinking. The Development, inevitably, is costing more than budgeted, putting a short term squeeze on playing funds. To me (and I know many disagree) the appointment of Parkinson as CEO further implied that the Development is more important than the current playing side. That's nothing against the very necessary Development, or against Andrew Parkinson's impressive CV. Long term the Development is certainly more important, but for some fans who have made long journeys to watch a shambolic display, the present is more important than is being acknowledged. The sudden slide towards relegation has been a shock to many who felt we were in safe hands.

In a nutshell :clap:

 

[davie nine]

I think it's fairly plain why Adams was given such a wide role. Simon Hallett, and James Brent before him, saw a man who undoubtedly has huge commitment and a strong work ethic, who they trusted, and who they perhaps believed was a better manager than he actually is. With focus so much on the Development, it surely made sense in their eyes to pass everything football wise to this committed man, allowing them space to oversee the huge amount going on off the field. A longer contract, a new title, and presumably a bigger salary were part of the arrangement. I've always been nervous about this one, but it gives me no pleasure to see the problems that have arisen through it.

It is very difficult to criticise Simon Hallett given his huge loan to enable the Development. However, I'm afraid to say that the Board have been guilty of taking their eye off the football side. Undoubtedly, and rightly, delighted with 7th place last season, they apparently saw no reason to conduct a detailed investigation into the horrendous start to that campaign. After another awful start to this season, it seemed at the time of the January window that Adams had got things under control and that a repeat surge up the table was happening. Consequently incoming activity was restricted to loaning 2 players we knew all about (Threlkeld and Jones), and the rather bizarre signing of Anderson who has vanished without trace.

The perception of a drifting ship is not helped by Simon Hallett being based in America. His comments, sometimes taken more literally than they should be, occasionally suggest he doesn't emphasise with the way fans are thinking. The Development, inevitably, is costing more than budgeted, putting a short term squeeze on playing funds. To me (and I know many disagree) the appointment of Parkinson as CEO further implied that the Development is more important than the current playing side. That's nothing against the very necessary Development, or against Andrew Parkinson's impressive CV. Long term the Development is certainly more important, but for some fans who have made long journeys to watch a shambolic display, the present is more important than is being acknowledged. The sudden slide towards relegation has been a shock to many who felt we were in safe hands.

In a nutshell :clap:

I agree. That’s a reasonable assessment of the situation we have found ourselves in.
Some tough decisions ahead for Simon Hallett and his Board.

 

[Kentishgreen]

Anybody know what a “footballing chairman” is? Wasn’t Gardner a “ footballing chairman”