Southgate hasn't been tactically good enough in the big moments but that had nothing to do with tonight. The players didn't give a stuff.
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Trouble is all the championship managers that watched tonight’s game, now have a heads up of our tactics for the remainder of our season.
Southgate makes a sow's ear out of a silk purse.
Just for context, France lost to Germany tonight, Belgium drew with Ireland and Croatia drew with Tunisia.
Southgate must have been managing four teams at once tonight.
Southgate must have been managing four teams at once tonight.
Somebody once said, 'It is a funny ole game football'. These unexpected results prove it.
But look at how previous generations of excellent players have been stifled by England managers: Currie, Hudson, Bowles, Le Tissier, Beckham, Charlie George. They get slotted into some rigid formation that rarely changes and are expected to just confirm when what those creative players need is some freedom to go and express themselves. Foden is wasted out wide, for example, in the current team. At club level his manager has the guts to encourage players to go out and express themselves.
Standby, Mr scout is back again.
Why are you talking about something that happened a few years ago
Yes... because he and the England way of playing is frankly boring and crap.
It's amazing how Englands failure to win a trophy since 66 is always down to useless Managers despite so many golden eras of players. I don't think this current crop is head and shoulders above what we have had in the past and defensively we have been under par for a few years especially at CBs. 77-82 English teams dominated Europe with mainly British players 82 was a great squad of proven winners at club level, 78, 90 all great teams from past times and 74 now that was a proper under achievement. Even compared with more recent squads bar Kane I don't see any current players so much better than Rooney, Becks. Frank, Stevie G, Shearer, Sheringham, Terry, Rio etc. Bellingham looks a bit special, Kyle Walker is class and we had a few missing but IMHO a few are way over hyped, very few of the current crop are their clubs super stars. We have had better progress at tournaments under Southgate than I can remember under any manager in my lifetime and he was a dapper dresser, bring back the waistcoat, for me he has progressed us and done well rather than destroyed a 'special' era of talent.
Pretty much given up watching England over the past few years under Southgate as it is the same, safe as houses, risk averse and frankly dull to watch football every time.
I distinctly remember commenting around a year ago that at least I had argyle to deliver some attacking and exciting football and yet here we are. I even remember saying how I wondered what an England team under Schumacher would look like with all the attacking flair available.
A year or so on, England still play the same sideways, conservative, brain numbing football and Argyle have sadly gone the same way. The major difference being Argyle don’t pose a set piece threat which was the only way England were going to score last night.
I distinctly remember commenting around a year ago that at least I had argyle to deliver some attacking and exciting football and yet here we are. I even remember saying how I wondered what an England team under Schumacher would look like with all the attacking flair available.
A year or so on, England still play the same sideways, conservative, brain numbing football and Argyle have sadly gone the same way. The major difference being Argyle don’t pose a set piece threat which was the only way England were going to score last night.
England friendlies have improved in recent years but they still are a tepid offering.
Whilst Southgate persists with Harry Maguire England will always gift the opposition chances.
Southgate is viewed by some as a successful manager but I feel with player resources he has had, he has squandered golden opportunities to win trophies in the last three major tournament final stages.
Whilst Southgate persists with Harry Maguire England will always gift the opposition chances.
Southgate is viewed by some as a successful manager but I feel with player resources he has had, he has squandered golden opportunities to win trophies in the last three major tournament final stages.
Bit of a contradiction. You say England should be winning trophies then slag off the centre half.
England : 3 shots on target (according to the BBC) - in an open game
The 'England way' is anything but 'elite' in my view
An England team of Adams, Ince, Shearer, Pearce, Butcher, McMahon may not have the same level of quality as this current crop but I’d sure as hell prefer to watch them. It’s almost as if the modern game is choreographed- get in position X and take no risks 🥱
And Southgate was rumoured to be top of Man Utd wishlist as manager. Wonder if their fans would stop supporting the club if he was in charge?
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