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Trouble at the End (32 fans banned)
- Thread starter Welwyn Pilgrim
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Struggling to work out the criticism on this thread? It ranges from those saying this "violence" on Saturday (yes nearly a week ago but many are still continually posting on this thread) was a throwback to the 70's and 80's and has no place in football stadiums (agreed). To others saying it was kids posturing and had they not been held back by 2 stewards and 1 copper they would have all fled and its the "pogo-ing", they wouldn't last 5 minutes in a boxing ring or at war?
So which is it? Either there was full scale dis-order, rioting and scenes to scare the living hell out of your granny, or it was pathetic adults with no brain cells that would run a mile had their been no netting, stewards, police about?
To me (from the Mayflower) the Wigan fans were asking for trouble. Borderline taking the pee. I saw 2 coins thrown from the away end into the Mayflower that incensed a few (rightfully so), I also heard (but did not see) that a cigarette lighter was also thrown from the away end. They then proceeded to invade the pitch goading and letting of flares. Doesn't bother me, but had the shoe been on the other foot and Argyle fans had done this at Charlton lets say, and a mob of Charlton fans had retaliated, you'd have the same 5 or 6 repeat posters on this thread (obviously don't have much of a life) condemning Argyle fans for letting off flares, invading the pitch, goading the home fans and getting what they desevered. You can't have it both ways.
It seems there are a select few posters just wanting to bash Argyle fans (and yes they are fans as anyone who travels to the likes of Lincoln, Morecambe, Accrington do so for the love of the club) and at any opportunity. Storm in a tea cup, and Wigan not entirely blameless. Alcohol will have played a large part as I'm sure 90% of people who have drank in the past will have done something they regret.
My synopsis - ANYONE found guilty of throwing a punch / physical violence - should be banned. Anyone encroaching on the pitch - banned. Anyone involved in gesticulation and chanting - live and let live part of football as far as I'm concerned.
Just a final thing, these 2 points irk me more than anything that happened after the Wigan goal - 1) the chanting about Charlie Wyke, completely out of order and uncalled for, 2) the reports of drunken adults sat in the family stand swearing, no need and uncalled for.
Cue the usual rent a mob who will no doubt be tutting loudly, stamping their find and searching for the rolled eyes emoji to react to my post - but that's how I see it.
So which is it? Either there was full scale dis-order, rioting and scenes to scare the living hell out of your granny, or it was pathetic adults with no brain cells that would run a mile had their been no netting, stewards, police about?
To me (from the Mayflower) the Wigan fans were asking for trouble. Borderline taking the pee. I saw 2 coins thrown from the away end into the Mayflower that incensed a few (rightfully so), I also heard (but did not see) that a cigarette lighter was also thrown from the away end. They then proceeded to invade the pitch goading and letting of flares. Doesn't bother me, but had the shoe been on the other foot and Argyle fans had done this at Charlton lets say, and a mob of Charlton fans had retaliated, you'd have the same 5 or 6 repeat posters on this thread (obviously don't have much of a life) condemning Argyle fans for letting off flares, invading the pitch, goading the home fans and getting what they desevered. You can't have it both ways.
It seems there are a select few posters just wanting to bash Argyle fans (and yes they are fans as anyone who travels to the likes of Lincoln, Morecambe, Accrington do so for the love of the club) and at any opportunity. Storm in a tea cup, and Wigan not entirely blameless. Alcohol will have played a large part as I'm sure 90% of people who have drank in the past will have done something they regret.
My synopsis - ANYONE found guilty of throwing a punch / physical violence - should be banned. Anyone encroaching on the pitch - banned. Anyone involved in gesticulation and chanting - live and let live part of football as far as I'm concerned.
Just a final thing, these 2 points irk me more than anything that happened after the Wigan goal - 1) the chanting about Charlie Wyke, completely out of order and uncalled for, 2) the reports of drunken adults sat in the family stand swearing, no need and uncalled for.
Cue the usual rent a mob who will no doubt be tutting loudly, stamping their find and searching for the rolled eyes emoji to react to my post - but that's how I see it.
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Don't disagree with a thing here.
Ultimately chanting and posturing from your own seat is fine. The line is/was crossed at the thrown objects and the surge towards the away fans.
The muppets involved in that (from both sides) deserve the bans they'll receive.
I think this point is significant. Chanting/posturing is fine as long as it isn't sexist, racist or just downright offensive (e.g. chanting about Wyke) and although the use of foul language (swearing) is regrettable I guess we have to accept it to some extent unless there are specific rules that prohibit it. But deliberately moving beyond the segregation netting into the buffer area in order to get at opposition fans (verbally or physically) crosses a line as far as I am concerned.
Personally, I am more forgiving of a few fans spilling out over the barriers onto the pitch in the surge of celebrating a late winning goal. In most cases they returned back to the stand fairly quickly and I don't think their action was (mostly) an act of aggression/provocation, rather it was (mostly) simply excitement and over-exuberance.
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Using the word outclassed is frankly bizarre in relation to one set of hooligans and another. There are no āclassesā of hooligans as far as Iām concerned.
In the grand scheme of things - there are more worrying things happening as far as I'm concerned. A few fans at football moving past a segregation netting opposed to people illegally crossing country borders? I know where i'd rather my tax money was spent investigating
Obviously there are more worrying things happening - I could list many things that I would put above the one that you highlight but that's just a matter of personal opinion. Argyle fan behaviour and illegal border crossings are completely different and unconnected things and investigating one doesn't in any way prevent consideration being given to the other. It's quite easy to 'worry about' more than one thing. I'd like someone to sort out the absolute shambles that is the GP service in Plymouth but that doesn't stop me also being concerned about the behaviour of a small group of people who associate themselves with the football club I support.
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I'd rather my tax money was spent on preventing raw sewage being pumped on to our beaches but that's not really the question here. What criminality the police decide to investigate at football matches isn't in any way connected to how much the UK Government spends on it's border policy.
I was making that comparison because you mentioned people moving into an area they shouldn't, not the behaviour. It was and is a direct comparison - people physically crossing lines that they shouldn't (one a fan divide at a football ground the other a countries border)
Two different scales of severity as far as I'm concerned.
But yes, agreed the GP shambles needs addressing but has no correlation to the comparison I made
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I was pointing out your straw man nonsense, which you've just repeated, correlating the migration crisis with people thumping each other at football matches. And I'll give an opinion on whatever I like, I don't need your permission.