Is Derek the right manager?

[Balham Green]

This is the guy we should be courting--Premier and Championship clubs are too cowardly to take a punt--why not us?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ague-clubs

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

 

[Biggs]

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

Give it a rest. Very often, the brave thing to do is stick with a manager. Getting rid at the first crisis is the easy option.

Play-off final > promotion isn't failing. And if your definition of failing is a string of defeats, then most clubs would have several managers a season. You don't think turning that round to sit on a 5 game unbeaten run is worthy of any praise at all?

 

[davie nine]

I have seen reference to Darren Ferguson's retention by Doncaster mentioned when they were relegated to League 2 and returned to League 1 this season.

Another higher profile example is Sean Dyche who has been at Burnley since 2012. I expect that many of their supporters were calling for his head when they were relegated back to the Championship in the 2014/5 season but the owners kept faith with him and they returned to the Premiership in 2016/7. Currently, in 2017/8, they are in 7th position.

We are discussing losing faith in our manager after 1/3rd of the season; I hope, and believe, that our owners will have more faith in our manager than some of our supporters have.

 

[vibratingspider]

This is the guy we should be courting--Premier and Championship clubs are too cowardly to take a punt--why not us?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ague-clubs

FWIW, I would definitely give this guy a shot when the time is right. Which, I don't think, is just yet.

 

[oldage]

David nine,nothing to do with faith more like the cost of getting rid of him.

 

[Balham Green]

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

Give it a rest. Very often, the brave thing to do is stick with a manager. Getting rid at the first crisis is the easy option.

Play-off final > promotion isn't failing. And if your definition of failing is a string of defeats, then most clubs would have several managers a season. You don't think turning that round to sit on a 5 game unbeaten run is worthy of any praise at all?

Give it a rest! Do you think we would have got promoted last season or be unbeaten in 5 without ONE player in particular?

 

[OwenJones]

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

Give it a rest. Very often, the brave thing to do is stick with a manager. Getting rid at the first crisis is the easy option.

Play-off final > promotion isn't failing. And if your definition of failing is a string of defeats, then most clubs would have several managers a season. You don't think turning that round to sit on a 5 game unbeaten run is worthy of any praise at all?

Give it a rest! Do you think we would have got promoted last season or be unbeaten in 5 without ONE player in particular?

Do you think we'd have that ONE player without this manager having been in place?

 

[oddball]

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

Give it a rest. Very often, the brave thing to do is stick with a manager. Getting rid at the first crisis is the easy option.

Play-off final > promotion isn't failing. And if your definition of failing is a string of defeats, then most clubs would have several managers a season. You don't think turning that round to sit on a 5 game unbeaten run is worthy of any praise at all?

Give it a rest! Do you think we would have got promoted last season or be unbeaten in 5 without ONE player in particular?

Do you think we'd have that ONE player without this manager having been in place?

Eleven players make a football team...yes the manager may have got Carey right but the other ten I'm not so sure...Adams has wasted a lot of money on duffers...hence we are bottom of the league....

 

[Greenskin]

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

Give it a rest. Very often, the brave thing to do is stick with a manager. Getting rid at the first crisis is the easy option.

Play-off final > promotion isn't failing. And if your definition of failing is a string of defeats, then most clubs would have several managers a season. You don't think turning that round to sit on a 5 game unbeaten run is worthy of any praise at all?

Give it a rest! Do you think we would have got promoted last season or be unbeaten in 5 without ONE player in particular?

Do you think we'd have that ONE player without this manager having been in place?

Eleven players make a football team...yes the manager may have got Carey right but the other ten I'm not so sure...Adams has wasted a lot of money on duffers...hence we are bottom of the league....

Where is the evidence that Adams has had a "lot of money" to waste or otherwise?

 

[Knibbsworth]

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

Give it a rest. Very often, the brave thing to do is stick with a manager. Getting rid at the first crisis is the easy option.

Play-off final > promotion isn't failing. And if your definition of failing is a string of defeats, then most clubs would have several managers a season. You don't think turning that round to sit on a 5 game unbeaten run is worthy of any praise at all?

Give it a rest! Do you think we would have got promoted last season or be unbeaten in 5 without ONE player in particular?

ONE player the manager signed, then convinced to stay when much better footballing sides came in for him.

ONE player we pay a lot of money to have relative to his colleagues.

What is the alternative to Carey scoring goals and making some chances, for him to go on strike or something? To run the ball down the touchline and out of play and just deliberately not contribute anything? What a strange feeling it must be to watch Argyle with the attitude and prejudice you have, cursing under your breath every time Carey whacks in another goal from distance, feeling like he is somehow cheating you and Argyle deep down are really much more pathetic than this. How strange.

 

[Greenskin]

We are too cowardly even to get rid of a failing manager!

Give it a rest. Very often, the brave thing to do is stick with a manager. Getting rid at the first crisis is the easy option.

Play-off final > promotion isn't failing. And if your definition of failing is a string of defeats, then most clubs would have several managers a season. You don't think turning that round to sit on a 5 game unbeaten run is worthy of any praise at all?

Give it a rest! Do you think we would have got promoted last season or be unbeaten in 5 without ONE player in particular?

Bit like saying Leicester would never have won the premier league without Vardy or Brazil 3 world cups without Pele or Argyle without Mariner in 1974/75 etc etc etc.

 

[Knibbsworth]

Man Utd - Cantona
When he was banned they struggled massively for goals and form. He returned just towards the end of the season to help deliver the title.

Argyle - Jason Banton
Would have gone down without him.

Newcastle - Shearer
From decades in the top flight to relegation when their best player retired.

Southampton - Le Tissier
Ditto.


Having a standout player and being dependent on their spark is hardly unique to Argyle in League One. Even Spurs wouldn't think of Harry Kane being out of action for any period of time, it would dent their attacking potential massively.

 

[Tony Flags]

The bit I find interesting is how much the pro Derek's are pro Derek. I know he is a marmite sort of manager, but some on here metaphorically seem to eat nothing but marmite, sleep in marmite and drink marmite through a marmite straw.

Not criticising any view today - just observing.

 

[Tugboat]

The bit I find interesting is how much the pro Derek's are pro Derek. I know he is a marmite sort of manager, but some on here metaphorically seem to eat nothing but marmite, sleep in marmite and drink marmite through a marmite straw.

Not criticising any view today - just observing.

I don’t like marmite nor do I dislike marmite.

Weird

 

[Biggs]

Because both are experienced managers, who have both shown incredible amounts of interest in the Argyle job in the past, so is a good chance both would be happy to take it on a short term basis. Lennie Lawrence has certainly been involved in football since his last job so will still have contacts for January. Lawrence is also SW(ish) based. Then at the end of the season could slot in upstairs to guide a Wotton or a Hargreaves who would be a much more long term vision.

So if Mark takes over Argyle in January, we can expect to see a side made up of most of Truro City's current first team, managed by Stan Ternent and with the tantalising prospect of being managed in the 2018/19 League 2 campaign by a guy whose (and I say this as a big fan of Chris Hargreaves as a bloke) only management job saw him relegated from the League entirely.

:crazy: