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AFT statement on HHP development and **new update 19th Sept*
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200 new jobs in Roborough created by a tech firm. I wonder if Highways England wish to object on the effect this will have on the Manadon junction? http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/bu ... obs-499496
metroace":1sl8pter said:
I work at said "tech firm" - trust me, that was the most misleading statement ever. Not a chance that it's going to generate 200 jobs!
Wasting your time, you won't get a response as it would weaken their position.
Is this the death of the AFT? They no longer seem relevant and far from representative.
And to that they only seem active when it matters to certain people. What's they're current stance on the BTeam Boycott?
The club is now fully entitled on any matters to disregard the trust as not a true representative group.
Is this the death of the AFT? They no longer seem relevant and far from representative.
And to that they only seem active when it matters to certain people. What's they're current stance on the BTeam Boycott?
The club is now fully entitled on any matters to disregard the trust as not a true representative group.
esmer":1g8l8asn said:
This is exactly what I was alluding to earlier in the thread. It seems the Trust board are using their position of power and the name of the Fans Trust to push what should be personal objections to the plans.
Being Trust board members has a degree of responsibility to it's membership to represent their views in the interest of Argyle and it's fans. If Mr Cannon or any other board member had reservations themselves they should have objected individuals not in the name of the Trust.
As far as I can see the club will benefit hugely from these developments. Both directly from the grandstand and indirectly from the footfall of the other facilities even before the windfall profit is or isn't factored in. Parking has been noted as an issue but it's farcical to think this overrides the other clear benefits to club and supporter alike.
Whatever the Trust's reasons for objecting I cannot for the life of me see how it relates to Argyle or it's fans and as such see it as beyond their remit.
I think the Trust has also compromised its position (again for God's sake) as a conduit between the fans and the Argyle Board. There really does seem to be a fundamental lack of 'skill', or finesse if you like, in the way the AFT chooses to do its business. I can't work out if it's a lack of political nous or deliberate mischief making.
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Ade the green":3fvn6kdw said:
Turn it on its head then and let me ask you a hypothetical question, Ade. If what was being proposed was the HHP development and Western Gateway, with no plan at all for the grandstand and Home Park, how would you feel about it then?
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Electronic":uall1o4r said:
Firstly, the Western Gateway is of no concern to me as I have no interest in staying in a hotel only 1/4 mile from my home so it wouldn't even register.
Secondly, the HHP is as a whole. I support it as a whole and it's impossible to theorise if JB and SH said "stuff it, we'll only build the ancillary buildings".
Thirdly, if I did not support Argyle the grandstand would not register but I would think it would be good for food-drink and restaurants in that area in order to make the most of Central Park.
Electronic":5f2ejpq3 said:
That's for JB's concern and if it doesn't get funded or completely funded the AFT would get their wish by default.
Sorry, but does anyone genuinely believe that a currently uninterested resident of Plymouth will suddenly have an urge to see how Carey's magic left foot fares against Doncaster on Saturday because there's a Nandos next door and they can take their cat for a check up?
I think some of the proposed units have a benefit for the area and for central park, but the club benefit is being bigged up to some daft proportions.
Fwiw, I hope that the current application is granted, but I hope that there are some adjustments made when full planning is sought for the retail, leisure and business units.
My interest firstly is getting the Grandstand refurbished and there really shouldn't be any issues in getting that done. But, rightly or wrongly, it has been gambled at the expense of additional (more controversial, due to the nature of them being new build units rather than work on existing) developments.
My second interest is whether the club end up with a fair deal for the development usage of the HHP land. Selling land for development has been an incredibly prosperous venture for many sports clubs over the years. James Brent sold himself this opportunity instead however, which he is entitled to do. I would hope as the custodian of the club that he may consider way to provide the club with greater direct benefit.
Last time he proposed a new stand valued at Ā£10 million. This time there is nothing on the cards other than a muddied suggestion of windfall profit that no one is really sure about. There's the indirect benefits of course, but these are uncertain in themselves also. I'd rather the club not gamble on the flimsy and hope that they'd get a more concrete benefit to aid our progression.
I think some of the proposed units have a benefit for the area and for central park, but the club benefit is being bigged up to some daft proportions.
Fwiw, I hope that the current application is granted, but I hope that there are some adjustments made when full planning is sought for the retail, leisure and business units.
My interest firstly is getting the Grandstand refurbished and there really shouldn't be any issues in getting that done. But, rightly or wrongly, it has been gambled at the expense of additional (more controversial, due to the nature of them being new build units rather than work on existing) developments.
My second interest is whether the club end up with a fair deal for the development usage of the HHP land. Selling land for development has been an incredibly prosperous venture for many sports clubs over the years. James Brent sold himself this opportunity instead however, which he is entitled to do. I would hope as the custodian of the club that he may consider way to provide the club with greater direct benefit.
Last time he proposed a new stand valued at Ā£10 million. This time there is nothing on the cards other than a muddied suggestion of windfall profit that no one is really sure about. There's the indirect benefits of course, but these are uncertain in themselves also. I'd rather the club not gamble on the flimsy and hope that they'd get a more concrete benefit to aid our progression.
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IJN":zrgg1g08 said:
No, I actually wouldn't - not in this context. I disagree with you and others who espouse this thinking that 'only people who reside within a PL postcode have a right to comment'. Argyle belongs to all Argyle fans and those who live in the city are no more important than any others. Ditto those with an interest (family ties, for example) in Plymouth who live away.
It's a perfectly reasonable question - I guess Ade the Green will choose to answer it or not. Easy come, easy go.
