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Which Championship club/model should we aspire to?

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I don't think there's any we would follow, as most shank alot of money every season! We will follow the Brentford model, trying to develop players to sell for profit and reinvest in another player.
They sold Ollie Watkins at a big profit and invested a portion of that profit into Ivan Toney, who they will now sell for a much bigger profit and reinvest in a couple of other players.
Some like Morgs will fit that model, others like Mumba, Callum Wright and Waine will hopefully add to the team and stay with us for a few years.
 
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SH would be extremely proud that his club is not a basket case awaiting a knock on the door from EFL/HMRC

Other Chairmen probably turn a blind eye to the eye watering losses they suffer year on year hoping not to come under the radar of the EFL

What will these clubs do when their bank rolling Chairmen decide to pull the plug
 

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Not the Championship, but how about (huge tin hat placed firmly on head).....Exeter City.

Perhaps not the fan owned part exactly as it is limited, but their youth set up has very admirable for years now and has generated some significant wealth for them. Hopefully Brickfields will set us on a similar path.
 

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I think our “One Argyle’ incremental improvement model suits us fine. Just got to significantly improve the player trading income. Such a route will cause natural anxiety about securing our Championship status but as the EFL Profit & Sustainability rules begin to bite we will quietly progress by sustainable means, notwithstanding any welcome external investment.
 
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The very idea that another Championship model is remotely comparable beyond that of Bristol City is built on little more than hope and whimsy, the thought that a PL club could be compared is just daft.

Bristol City spent nine seasons in the top flight - the first 5 came during a period where the word 'almost' became synonymous with the club in an era where the financial playing field was pretty level, the final 4 were all seasons of struggle as the financial divide between the SW and the rest of the country had become established to the point of reflection in professional sport.

They have, since Jimmy Hill sent his protege to Ashton Gate, mostly been attractive only to the level of manager Argyle appeal to now.
Their ownership structure is highlighted by a successful individual who, while a name in his field, doesn't carry the transferable status to draw in the vast sums of investment required in the modern game to reach the top level.

Bristol City, like Argyle, will very likely never see Premier League football because money follows interest and nothing in the SW interests the right people.

This is as far as the comparison goes, beyond that there's nothing.

I know some people think that Bournemouth represents a worthy counterpoint, but these people simply overlook the wealth belt of the South Coast which rather conveniently stops at Dorset.

Our club model, like that of every other club in the SW, simply cannot be compared to any other club in the country because the unavoidable organic factors that influence the prospects of clubs down here are very different to those relevant to other clubs.
Let's have it clear - Bristol, Exeter and Swindon all have the advantages of being served by a motorway, so their respective factors differ from ours and Torquay's. However, it's clear that there's more to it than simply logistics.

The Brighton model, like that of Brentford or any other club served better by geographical awareness and financial spread, is never going to be seen at HP.

The Championship is our top flight.
Unless one of these Hollywood investments arrive, it's ridiculously unlikely that we'll ever reach the Premier League.

Our club model is uncompromisingly unique and cannot realistically be compared to anyone else, we just need to accept this reality.
 
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None.

Lets forge our own path and model.

Take away the money what's the appeal of the premiership?

Most teams in the championship have big grounds.
Most have better fans than entitled plastic prem fans.

Id rather be in a league where we can grow and invest each year then the prem where if you dont spend big your hammered. No way would i want that debt for Argyle.

We are a buying and selling club but SH is bringing more non match day revenue to the club, with the fan zones, brickfields.

We now have a little money so decisions to be made, into the team or stadium?

I think we will continue to sell out each home game tbh.

Big decisions for the board TBH.
 
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Luton seem the most realistic model to follow if we have to follow one.

Even well run clubs like Brentford and Brighton would splash the cash when needed but it's seems like we're not near that stage right now.
 
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We should try to be a Club similar to Norwich.
A Club geographically remote that gets support from its entire community. Crowds of 25,000 from a city of a population half that of Plymouth. But when you see how many coaches for home fans they have you realise how they are the region’s team.
What has surprised me over the years is the despite the widely held belief that Argyle’s support comes from all over Devon and Cornwall there appears to be only two coaches with home fans at Home Park.
Even at Stoke which you would think had quite a small catchment area compared to ours there were over 20 coaches parked up with home fans.
Perhaps the lack of a network of supporter clubs affiliated to Argyle may be part of the reason for so few coaches.
 
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We should try to be a Club similar to Norwich.
A Club geographically remote that gets support from its entire community. Crowds of 25,000 from a city of a population half that of Plymouth. But when you see how many coaches for home fans they have you realise how they are the region’s team.
What has surprised me over the years is the despite the widely held belief that Argyle’s support comes from all over Devon and Cornwall there appears to be only two coaches with home fans at Home Park.
Even at Stoke which you would think had quite a small catchment area compared to ours there were over 20 coaches parked up with home fans.
Perhaps the lack of a network of supporter clubs affiliated to Argyle may be part of the reason for so few coaches.
While on the basis of the above they might be comparable, Norwich City FC are part-owned by a group of American investors headed by the club Director, Michael Attanasio, who alone is worth $700m.

So it's not just the logistics that impact a football club. The wealth spread that ripples out from London isn't simply underpinned by logistics and, as Norwich is about as far from London by crow as we are from Bristol, the commercial appeal of Norwich City FC is proven as greater than that of Plymouth Argyle FC.
This commercial difference is further strengthened by our lack of airport while Norwich has it's own which, to an extent, circumvents some of the logistical pressures presented by location.
I mean, that's what - 30-40mins to London. It takes us longer to get to an airport.

Failing something remarkable, simple economics will always dictate our prospects and simple economics are the stark factors that separate Argyle from Norwich in the modern game.

Norwich are also not realistically comparable to Argyle.
 
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The very idea that another Championship model is remotely comparable beyond that of Bristol City is built on little more than hope and whimsy, the thought that a PL club could be compared is just daft.

Bristol City spent nine seasons in the top flight - the first 5 came during a period where the word 'almost' became synonymous with the club in an era where the financial playing field was pretty level, the final 4 were all seasons of struggle as the financial divide between the SW and the rest of the country had become established to the point of reflection in professional sport.

They have, since Jimmy Hill sent his protege to Ashton Gate, mostly been attractive only to the level of manager Argyle appeal to now.
Their ownership structure is highlighted by a successful individual who, while a name in his field, doesn't carry the transferable status to draw in the vast sums of investment required in the modern game to reach the top level.

Bristol City, like Argyle, will very likely never see Premier League football because money follows interest and nothing in the SW interests the right people.

This is as far as the comparison goes, beyond that there's nothing.

I know some people think that Bournemouth represents a worthy counterpoint, but these people simply overlook the wealth belt of the South Coast which rather conveniently stops at Dorset.

Our club model, like that of every other club in the SW, simply cannot be compared to any other club in the country because the unavoidable organic factors that influence the prospects of clubs down here are very different to those relevant to other clubs.
Let's have it clear - Bristol, Exeter and Swindon all have the advantages of being served by a motorway, so their respective factors differ from ours and Torquay's. However, it's clear that there's more to it than simply logistics.

The Brighton model, like that of Brentford or any other club served better by geographical awareness and financial spread, is never going to be seen at HP.

The Championship is our top flight.
Unless one of these Hollywood investments arrive, it's ridiculously unlikely that we'll ever reach the Premier League.

Our club model is uncompromisingly unique and cannot realistically be compared to anyone else, we just need to accept this reality.
I think this is a very pessimistic outlook. I agree that our geographical location can be a struggle to attract some players. However this will be a huge ADVANTAGE when he get Brickfields up and running. We should then be in a positikn to have the best academy in the south west, and have a vast catchment area to develop talent and sell on at profit.