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I feel sorry for james Brent
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Good post on the whole.xmastree":3gh3y3jg said:
Worth pointing out also that pretty much every account from those in the know at the time said Peter Reid had lost the dressing room. He did well in his first season under trying circumstances but it was right that he had to go when he did.
Fair enough chaps, but with hindsight perhaps we should have made him DoF over Fletcher. Experience and contacts and a 'fatherly' eye.
So, not Reidy then. Agree about Wotton, et al too. Also agree we need a manager who is not the players friend.
So, who is available, realistic and can read a game?
So, not Reidy then. Agree about Wotton, et al too. Also agree we need a manager who is not the players friend.
So, who is available, realistic and can read a game?
Some good points already made. For us to understand James Brent, I think we have to look at it the way I think he does, in purely business eyes. You have to consider his banking background to understand how he views risk. So what does that mean is the way forward for Argyle? I think there's 3 options:
1. It takes money to make money, so one way would be to invest in the playing side of Argyle. I don't mean by throwing silly money at it, but by buying a few quality additions. Our team would look very different with a quality CM and CF, results would pick up and attendances and revenue as a result. But buying footballers is a risky strategy when they could get injured or just not perform when they get there. You could hire an experienced manager with a track record of finding quality, which would mitigate those risks to some extent, but not totally.
2. You could put your faith in youth (with players and management staff) and spend as little as possible round the edges (bring in a few loans and cheap signings). Hopefully over time the youth will come good, the team will improve and years down the line it'll come good and at that point your league position and revenue improves.
3. Wind the thing up completely. But this has the knock on effect on your other investments. What use is land next to a football stadium with no football club?
Option 1 is high risk, and there's never in a million years that I believe James Brent will take that level of risk with a business. Option 3 wouldn't be acceptable for him either. It seems obviously he's taking option 2 and as such while we're in this division and ticking over (and I don't think that realistically we'll get relegated, and there will always be a core support who'll keep coming), he'll stick with the strategy, so I don't think we'll see a new manager for some time.
For what it's worth I think it might work. Fletch might come good. The promise of our youngsters might be realised. But I think we're in for a few seasons of mediocrity in a poor league.
Like it or not though, Fletch is here to stay. So I guess the choice is get behind him or go elsewhere. I'm going to get behind him for now.
1. It takes money to make money, so one way would be to invest in the playing side of Argyle. I don't mean by throwing silly money at it, but by buying a few quality additions. Our team would look very different with a quality CM and CF, results would pick up and attendances and revenue as a result. But buying footballers is a risky strategy when they could get injured or just not perform when they get there. You could hire an experienced manager with a track record of finding quality, which would mitigate those risks to some extent, but not totally.
2. You could put your faith in youth (with players and management staff) and spend as little as possible round the edges (bring in a few loans and cheap signings). Hopefully over time the youth will come good, the team will improve and years down the line it'll come good and at that point your league position and revenue improves.
3. Wind the thing up completely. But this has the knock on effect on your other investments. What use is land next to a football stadium with no football club?
Option 1 is high risk, and there's never in a million years that I believe James Brent will take that level of risk with a business. Option 3 wouldn't be acceptable for him either. It seems obviously he's taking option 2 and as such while we're in this division and ticking over (and I don't think that realistically we'll get relegated, and there will always be a core support who'll keep coming), he'll stick with the strategy, so I don't think we'll see a new manager for some time.
For what it's worth I think it might work. Fletch might come good. The promise of our youngsters might be realised. But I think we're in for a few seasons of mediocrity in a poor league.
Like it or not though, Fletch is here to stay. So I guess the choice is get behind him or go elsewhere. I'm going to get behind him for now.
If we have to choose a budget option, I wouldn't be disappointed with Lee Hodges.
Just so long as it's not Kevin Hodges! The Warden Hodges would be preferable :lol:
Just so long as it's not Kevin Hodges! The Warden Hodges would be preferable :lol:
hairy j":2qe4p0zc said:
Interesting suggestion.
When you say someone like Paul Tisdale what do you mean? He's very experienced in the lower leagues having managed since he was 29. So is the Tisdale that you want the same Tisdale that started at 29 (so basically we go out there and find the next bright young hopeful) or the Tisdale that is now (10 years of experience managing in the lower leagues) and if so can you please suggest to me 3 or 4 other names like Tisdale? I can think of one off the top of my head and that's Paul Buckle. Cheers hairy.
hmmm, not a bad choice hairy, would he ever come here though given the chance?hairy j":38384a0v said:
I suppose it would be really novel for him to manage a side who play in a proper stadium I suppose, and the fact our pitch is the right way around should be a no brainer for him.
Neither GJ or PT would come here.
Gary seems quite happy at Yeovil and doing alright.
Tis might come, but the cost of ditching Fletch (12 months wages/severance pay) and compensating Exeter for his two year rolling contract would make JB's eyes water.
I think we're stuck with Fletch until JB can hear the Devonport chanting for him to go and see the banners demanding it. Even then, I'm not sure...........
Gary seems quite happy at Yeovil and doing alright.
Tis might come, but the cost of ditching Fletch (12 months wages/severance pay) and compensating Exeter for his two year rolling contract would make JB's eyes water.
I think we're stuck with Fletch until JB can hear the Devonport chanting for him to go and see the banners demanding it. Even then, I'm not sure...........
Well I reckon we need a blood and snotter, someone like luggy so perhaps his protege Cocko can do a job. He's done his apprenticeship with one of the best lower league managers who knows how to get out of them and must have learnt a thing or two about it. :scarf:
Michael Dunford assisted me with some (non-football) work whilst he was still CEO here. I was tremendously impressed with his knowledge of his profession, both nationally & locally.
I recall Rupert writing an article on Michael's 'redundancy' from Argyle, within which he expressed great concern about the actions of the NWO in getting rid of him but despite this, MD has retained a genuine love of our club & returned as a paying spectator as soon as the NWO were ousted.
As I mentioned in my pre-PASB election posts on here, I recently asked him if he would meet up to help advise me with regard to his thoughts on how best to develop the PASB; what the pluses & pit falls may be; as ever he willingly agreed & we'll be meeting up in the near future. I am certain his informed counsel will be of great use.
I recall Rupert writing an article on Michael's 'redundancy' from Argyle, within which he expressed great concern about the actions of the NWO in getting rid of him but despite this, MD has retained a genuine love of our club & returned as a paying spectator as soon as the NWO were ousted.
As I mentioned in my pre-PASB election posts on here, I recently asked him if he would meet up to help advise me with regard to his thoughts on how best to develop the PASB; what the pluses & pit falls may be; as ever he willingly agreed & we'll be meeting up in the near future. I am certain his informed counsel will be of great use.
