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Anoraks 42 - Team mates

Sainghin Green

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While researching Johnny Williams for Anoraks 41 I noticed that he had played with 98 team mates which made me wonder if this was a large number for someone with a longish career at one club or nothing exceptional. I also had a look at Sammy Black for a similar pre-war career and noticed that he and Jack Leslie had played 327 games together. So here are the questions which I am looking to the Pasoti/Greens on Screen community to answer. It's over to you all on this one!

Just looking at Argyle since 1950 which player played or has played with the greatest number of team mates and which two players have played the most matches together?
 

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Logically it would be Kevin Hodges as he played a good many more games than others in that time span but perhaps that is too obvious?
Teamates playing together most often possibly a couple from Hodges, Chris Harrison, Crudgie, Leigh Cooper and John Uzzel?
I'll plump for Crudgie and Chris Harrison.
 
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jerryatricjanner":1j7divtv said:
Logically it would be Kevin Hodges as he played a good many more games than others in that time span but perhaps that is too obvious?
Teamates playing together most often possibly a couple from Hodges, Chris Harrison, Crudgie, Leigh Cooper and John Uzzel?
I'll plump for Crudgie and Chris Harrison.
I am not going to enter because Steve Dean conducted this very exercise for me some years ago. I asked for the twos , threes and fives who had played together the most. I was convinced it would be Johnny Williams and someone for the twos, sure it was Williams, Fincham, Newman for the threes and absolutely convinced it was Robertson, Fulton, Williams, Fincham and Newman for the five. Wrong on all counts!
 

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memory man":18jv6383 said:
I am not going to enter ...
I guess that applies to me too. ;)

Just to mention that a teammate on GoS is someone who they've played with in a first team competition on at least one occasion, and that includes anyone who comes on as a substitute. Is that how it is for this SG?
 

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I would guess at Gary Sawyer for the most amount of team mates, especially given his two long spells at the club and the revolving door.
 
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I would guess at Gary Sawyer for the most amount of team mates, especially given his two long spells at the club and the revolving door.
I think it means the two who have played together most often, e.g Black and Leslie (but they are not the answer)
 

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memory man":hioywwbo said:
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I would guess at Gary Sawyer for the most amount of team mates, especially given his two long spells at the club and the revolving door.
I think it means the two who have played together most often, e.g Black and Leslie (but they are not the answer)

This was the first part of the question ...
"Just looking at Argyle since 1950 which player played or has played with the greatest number of team mates?"
 

Sainghin Green

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This is a Greens on Screen question if ever there was one so GoS definitions apply! Thanks to both Steves for keeping their distance for a while - although I think we're going to need a definitive answer from you to end the debate - for now let's keep it open if we can for a couple of days.
 

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Sainghin Green":123obuyw said:
I know I ought to know but when was Pilgrim Pete's first match?


I know that it was under Macauley.
He discovered him when he was playing in a local International game: Looe Island vs Drakes Island.
Whirled Cup qualifier.
 

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Sainghin Green":owwovbq7 said:
Thanks to both Steves for keeping their distance for a while ...
Must admit it's hard not to post! Just to say that whilst the two questions were for 1950 onwards, the answers are the same for all of PAFC's 117 years. I'll post with the top ten for each as soon as SG lets me off the lead!

And Postey, your suggestion for the greatest number of teammates for an individual comes in at equal-third. :)
 

Sainghin Green

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I'm going to guess Paul Wotton for the greatest number of team mates - long career, two phases the second of which saw lots of comings and goings.

Over to you Steve with thanks for your patience!
 

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Sainghin Green":tgfdk58b said:
I'm going to guess Paul Wotton for the greatest number of team mates - long career, two phases the second of which saw lots of comings and goings.

Over to you Steve ...
OK then, for the greatest number of teammates (over 100), yes it's Paul Wotton, by a surprisingly large margin, with Kevin Hodges surprisingly far down (then again, nothing like the turnover in KH's day):

Paul Wotton 232
Mickey Evans 166
Luke McCormick 161
Gary Sawyer 161
Romain Larrieu 157
Martin Barlow 156
Kevin Hodges 138
George Silk 132
Curtis Nelson 127
Archie Gorman 125
Adrian Burrows 102
Jimmy Rae 101

And for the most frequent twosomes (top 15):

Geoff Crudgington + Kevin Hodges 365
Fred Craig + Moses Russell 354
Leigh Cooper + Kevin Hodges 350
Sammy Black + Jack Leslie 327
Kevin Hodges + Gordon Nisbet 320
Leigh Cooper + Geoff Crudgington 306
Geoff Crudgington + Gordon Nisbet 301
Pat Jones + Bill Shortt 299
Chris Harrison + Kevin Hodges 294
Leigh Cooper + Gordon Nisbet 273
Kevin Hodges + Tommy Tynan 270
Kevin Hodges + John Uzzell 266
Geoff Crudgington + Chris Harrison 266
Wilf Carter + Johnny Williams 263
Septimus Atterbury + Jimmy McCormick 259

I think! :funny:
 
Interesting article on The Guardian website about players who have made most appearances together in a team:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-together

Made me wonder, who would be the Argyle combination who have appeared together most often? Kevin Hodges has most appearances for us but I can't think of players who overlapped for vast periods of time. So would it be Wotts and Trigger maybe, or are we going back earlier to the 1950s, or even before WW2?

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Interesting article on The Guardian website about players who have made most appearances together in a team:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-together

Made me wonder, who would be the Argyle combination who have appeared together most often? Kevin Hodges has most appearances for us but I can't think of players who overlapped for vast periods of time. So would it be Wotts and Trigger maybe, or are we going back earlier to the 1950s, or even before WW2?

M
unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean it looks to me as if the answer to the question you ask is in the post immediately above yours.
 
Yes, I posted separately but my post was put into this thread. Helps to have everything together, although does look a little confusing for new readers who would think I was asking a question that had been answered above! I'm not that daft, even if I wear shorts in winter :)

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