Argyle TV/website/streaming discussion thread

[Bryan Tregunna]

The problem isn’t just the money that clubs could be earning by streaming their own matches but how much collectively they would lose if teams like Manchester United and Liverpool were readily available to watch at 3pm on Saturday.

Good point, but:
- the top Prem teams rarely play at 3 on a Saturday
- how many non-armchair fans would choose to watch a Prem game if their own team was being streamed?

Possibly the way to go would be NOT to be able to purchase individual games, but only have season or monthly passes.

 

[Biggs]

VPNs specifically are 100% legal.

 

[jimsing]

VPNs specifically are 100% legal.

Of course they are, but if you use it to lie about your location (ie. give your location as outside the uk, when you are not) then that lie falls under the offence of fraud.

Some may say that is a minor infringement, but it gives you an advantage that you should not have, and therefore becomes a fraud, a criminal offence.

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

Good point, but:
- the top Prem teams rarely play at 3 on a Saturday
- how many non-armchair fans would choose to watch a Prem game if their own team was being streamed?

Possibly the way to go would be NOT to be able to purchase individual games, but only have season or monthly passes.

In the short term it could benefit Argyle but in 5 years time when most of the kids in Plymouth have become Liverpool, Manchester City or Chelsea fans because they have had even easier access to watch their games, the next generation of the Green Army will have to come from an even smaller pool of youngsters.

 

[Andy B.]

In the short term it could benefit Argyle but in 5 years time when most of the kids in Plymouth have become Liverpool, Manchester City or Chelsea fans because they have had even easier access to watch their games, the next generation of the Green Army will have to come from am even smaller pool of youngsters.

My 3 year old is an ardent Argyle fan. She joins in the singing and knows the chorus of the janner song. It's a beautiful thing, I was taken to Argyle via the zoo at the same age.

 

[Argylegames]

- the top Prem teams rarely play at 3 on a Saturday

That is only because the matches are moved outside of the 3-5 ban so that they can be shown live on TV.

 

[Green Flash]

If the 3pm curfew was lifted It would be likely that BT , Sky, Amazon or another would be allowed to bid to televise all matches in the PL, EFL at 3 meaning the end of Clubs streaming their own games and just receiving a % of the fee the TV companies paid.
What the effect on match day attendances and income would be the thing that the Clubs would have to weigh up if a vote ever took place.

Why would this happen when it doesnt happen for evening games which can all be shown?

Of course they are, but if you use it to lie about your location (ie. give your location as outside the uk, when you are not) then that lie falls under the offence of fraud.

Some may say that is a minor infringement, but it gives you an advantage that you should not have, and therefore becomes a fraud, a criminal offence.

I do not think this would be fraud. Especially as you are paying for the service.

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

Why would this happen when it doesnt happen for evening games which can all be shown?

I do not think this would be fraud. Especially as you are paying for the service.

Well I for one enjoy popping down to Home Park or buying an Argyle TV pass but I never do it if my lot are playing at the same time. Even more so if I could watch the Palace games I can't get to.

 

[Argyleloyal]

Talking about Argyle TV….

l think enough is enough with the Saturday tv blackout. It was a old rule for a time in life that suited the situation back then.

I hope the authorities get their heads knocked together and start realising the way people consume things in 2022 is totally different to 20 years ago. It’s time to allow fans to be able to watch their team home & away and support their club in a way that suits their life style. It’s stupid you can do it illegally and go via a VPN and not therefore have the same option as someone abroad. Years ago we had normal mon-Fri jobs over so many hours. Now the world works 7 days a week and we should be allowed access to follow our football clubs here in the U.K to fit around our working patterns.

EFL is on about scrapping the 3pm blackout.

EFL could scrap 3pm TV blackout as clubs urge league to let them stream games

At present, clubs are not allowed to show any football matches played between 2.45pm and 5.15pm on a Saturday afternoon

inews.co.uk

 

[Green Flash]

Well I for one enjoy popping down to Home Park or buying an Argyle TV pass but I never do it if my lot are playing at the same time. Even more so if I could watch the Palace games I can't get to.

Nobody is saying it would have no impact on attendances, but the point is that it would not be hugely significant and offset against increased revenue from streaming. Its not as if evening attendances have plummeted since live streaming has been introduced.

Hallett and PAFC are very much in favour of streaming all games.

 

[metroace]

Re the VPN issue:

Under UK law, fraud is defined as: making a dishonest representation for your own advantage or to cause another a loss. dishonestly neglecting to disclose information when you had a duty to do so.

The "your own advantage" bit would be having access to a video stream which is not licensed to be shown in this country by using a VPN to lie (make a dishonest representation) about your geographical location.

Personally, I think this is extremely minor but it does fit the bill of being fraud.

 

[Lundan Cabbie]

I referee

Nobody is saying it would have no impact on attendances, but the point is that it would not be hugely significant and offset against increased revenue from streaming. Its not as if evening attendances have plummeted since live streaming has been introduced.

Hallett and PAFC are very much in favour of streaming all gam

Nobody is saying it would have no impact on attendances, but the point is that it would not be hugely significant and offset against increased revenue from streaming. Its not as if evening attendances have plummeted since live streaming has been introduced.

Hallett and PAFC are very much in favour of streaming all games.

I refer you to my earlier post. It’s not what Argyle might earn from being able to sell a few more Argyle TV passes, it’s what happens if you drop the blackout period and allow Sky, BT etc and all the big boys to broadcast at the same time. How will that completion affect Argyle?

 

[MGM]

Lieing about your location to gain an advantage is a criminal offence.

It's called Fraud and comes under the Fraud Act of 2006 and carries a maximum imprisonment of ten years.

To be fair, l very much doubt some of the people using a VPN to say get Netflix USA would even know.

I just think we have rules that are somewhat outdated for the times we now are in.

Yet this is RIP Off Britain and when you can watch the Premier League in your home in Australia, at a fraction of the cost here (and yes l understand time zone maybe a factor in this), l think it kind of shows the levels of greed in some U.K. subscription companies and why it makes people frustrated and look for loop holes.

You don’t need £500,000 a week footballers, like Haaland will be soon. And therefore you don’t need ridiculous subscription charges to help sustain these players wages. You don’t need his agent, Mia Raiola, getting greedy from football. Somebody, somewhere has to stop this because the knock on effect is the gaps in our pyramid system are getting bigger. It will be hard enough for Argyle to sustain themselves in the championship due to player wages increasing, let alone any pipe dream premier league talk.

At some point the whole thing is gonna go BOOM. And someone will say enough is enough. Or do we really just keep on excepting increases on sports subscription services and on match day ticket prices?

 

[djg145]

Anyhow is the Argyle TV worth getting to watch the game on Saturday?

 

[jimsing]

The tv companies have a tight control over the football authorities. They demand that they be given the right to decide when games should be shown on tv, they demand that games be moved to suit their schedules, and the FL and FA bow to these tv companies.

This is the wrong way around.

The tv companies should be controlled by the Clubs through the FA/FL, they should be told when football matches may be televised, they should be told which matches may be shown, and the tv companies should jump at the behest of the FL/FA, but it seems that money talks.

The institution that started all this was the Premiership, and all this can be put firmly at their door. Their behaviour has been completely self self self with no concern about the Clubs and especially the fans.

Let us not forget that football was invented by the lower classes, and attended by the working classes. It has been hijacked well and truly by the middle classes, the people with money, and we need to bring it back under the control of the football authorities once again.

It can be done.

Rant over!