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Could we be interested ?

 
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I mentioned budget and financial backing because of the transfer fee that Wigan paid. We might be able to pay a reasonable wage to the players you have mentioned but we are surely nowhere near paying £600k as a transfer fee...
I doubt our entire squad cost even a quarter of that single transfer fee.
 

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Could we be interested ?

Depends when he was released. If a player is not released before the transfer window "slams" shut he is not able to sign for another club before the start of the next window.
 
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Would people not think some of the best players in this league are on 4-5k a week?

Given we can’t afford this l think our model is pretty obvious. We are looking for rough diamonds we can polish up. Like your Camara’s and Scarr’s. People that the stats say there is some potential but they maybe not consistent enough.

The problem is football fans aren’t patient. Argyle fans aren’t any different. The crowds maybe 10k currently but if they don’t see progress it will dwindle back to the hard core numbers. I remember the championship. Crowds were great at first. 16k. Then as we struggled it dwindled.

Maybe we just are a league one club that unfortunately given our location will struggle to attract the players we need to be a sustainable championship club. Without a wealthy benefactor willing to pump money into this football club in obscene amounts (like a Landsdown at Bristol City) lm not sure how we can be a sustainable championship club. Look at what Bristol City spend just to tread water in that league.

Unless the financial rules in football change so everyone is playing on the same level l can’t see how we compete above this level. Not to say we can’t make the championship but l think we would be like a Rotherham where at best we would yo-yo between championship and league one.
 

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Would people not think some of the best players in this league are on 4-5k a week?

Given we can’t afford this l think our model is pretty obvious. We are looking for rough diamonds we can polish up. Like your Camara’s and Scarr’s. People that the stats say there is some potential but they maybe not consistent enough.

The problem is football fans aren’t patient. Argyle fans aren’t any different. The crowds maybe 10k currently but if they don’t see progress it will dwindle back to the hard core numbers. I remember the championship. Crowds were great at first. 16k. Then as we struggled it dwindled.

Maybe we just are a league one club that unfortunately given our location will struggle to attract the players we need to be a sustainable championship club. Without a wealthy benefactor willing to pump money into this football club in obscene amounts (like a Landsdown at Bristol City) lm not sure how we can be a sustainable championship club. Look at what Bristol City spend just to tread water in that league.

Unless the financial rules in football change so everyone is playing on the same level l can’t see how we compete above this level. Not to say we can’t make the championship but l think we would be like a Rotherham where at best we would yo-yo between championship and league one.
I agree, although if we do manage to consistently get up into the top six of League 1 or sneak up to the Championship we will be more attractive to players so we will potentially have a bigger pool of players to fish in.
 

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Would people not think some of the best players in this league are on 4-5k a week?

Given we can’t afford this l think our model is pretty obvious. We are looking for rough diamonds we can polish up. Like your Camara’s and Scarr’s. People that the stats say there is some potential but they maybe not consistent enough.

The problem is football fans aren’t patient. Argyle fans aren’t any different. The crowds maybe 10k currently but if they don’t see progress it will dwindle back to the hard core numbers. I remember the championship. Crowds were great at first. 16k. Then as we struggled it dwindled.

Maybe we just are a league one club that unfortunately given our location will struggle to attract the players we need to be a sustainable championship club. Without a wealthy benefactor willing to pump money into this football club in obscene amounts (like a Landsdown at Bristol City) lm not sure how we can be a sustainable championship club. Look at what Bristol City spend just to tread water in that league.

Unless the financial rules in football change so everyone is playing on the same level l can’t see how we compete above this level. Not to say we can’t make the championship but l think we would be like a Rotherham where at best we would yo-yo between championship and league one.
I’d actually say that the best players in this league would be on at least double £4-5k you mentioned, which is why we can’t sign them.
 

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Whats to say the top players in league 1 earn treble what we pay our players

Chairmans with deep pockets offering eye watering contracts to the creme of the crop in the pursuit of promotion- all well & good if they get it but if it goes t**s up they are sc***d

There is only 3 places up for grabs & as we have all said big spending does not guarantee success

The saying boom & bust has never been so apt

We on the other hand are prudent & sensible investing in our Academy Lads who one day could be sold for an eye watering amount which will make us more sustainable

We have the building blocks in place to be more financially sustainable - we just have to be patient to see the fruits of our labour

Come the end of this season it will be interesting to see where all these supposed big hitters end up in the league 1 table
 
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Now let's get this right, once and for all.

Lowe has said that recruitment is an ongoing thing and they would have started their preparations for this season well in advance, even right after the January window closed.

Enquiries would have been made regarding the players Argyle deemed suitable, but may have been surplus to requirements by their Clubs in the Championship. Changes in management is always a good area of possible recruitment, and changes in playing style could also make players surplus to requirements.

Lowe's targets would have been identified at a very early stage and Lowe stated that he was starting from the back of the team and working forward, and no-one can suggest that this was not the priority that was certainly required, after last season.

Prior to the summer break, our defence was the first and most important part of the team to get together. The Club identified its targets and got them in, under contract, before the season started.

Work identifying the midfielders and strikers would also have been on-going when the season finished, but the budget would mean that these would be on loan deals, as he wasn't having any more kids from Premiership Clubs, and this has restricted his dealings with players.

From what Lowe has said, two strikers and a midfielder were the required loanees. There is no problem with fitness as they would have done a pre-season with their own Club. He obviously couldn't get the players, or the Clubs, to agree a loan deal at that time, but was working on the possibility of the deals still coming off before the window closed.

Other football clubs had their own priorities, and were not going to release players without getting in replacements first, a sensible and not unusual outcome.

Players will always look for their best loan deal and will make late decisions in order to ensure they don't miss out.

I suggest that one Championship player (who had not played much for his Club), after agreeing to move clubs, changed his mind as the window closed, as he then decided that he wanted to still try to get into his Club's first team. Watch this space in January if this doesn't happen.

I also suggest that another player (Div 1 player) had agreed terms, but his Club denied him the opportunity to move as his replacement was not forthcoming and the player remains with his Club. Again watch this space in January.

Unfortunate for Argyle but that is the way the cookie crumbles, especially with strikers who are the most sought after footballers in the world. There is no point in getting in players just to make up the numbers, but the budget dictates what can be offered.

That doesn't mean that Lowe has no chance of getting his preferred players, unless they have moved to another club. We will have to see if things work out for the players and their Clubs come January, but Lowe and his team will be looking at alternatives from here on in.

It does leave us short of out and out strikers, but the squad has been prepared with players being able to slot into differing positions. It remains to be seen whether this will be successful or not, but Lowe will be able to move players around. This is not ideal but should not be discounted as being unsuccessful, it may prove fruitful.

As always, injuries, suspensions and now Covid will play a large part in how Lowe can put a team out, but we do have our youth development who can also play their part, however inexperienced they are now. If they continue to get game time as they have done, we may be surprised at their outcome.

Please don't compare us with the bigger teams in our league, we cannot compete financially with teams who have twice and even three times as many supporters through the gate. Fortunately money does not always give outright success, but it can help.

We have a five year plan. We, as a Club, are not prepared to get promoted just yet, but we have to make strides towards improvement, year on year, and that is all we can expect at the moment.
“The News” reports Danny Cowley saying that it was Harrison who turned us down, electing to stay at Pompey.

I admire your upbeat post- but I think it’s difficult to spin this in any other way than being a totally abject episode. We have only two fit senior strikers, in a formation which requires two fit senior strikers….

I hope the club will learn from this and ensure that we never find ourselves in this position again in subsequent windows. All negotiations should be conducted by a senior executive as the sole point of contact, there needs to be strict timetabling on agreements and strictly adhered sunset clauses on all offers, lastly there needs to be a plan “b” ( and “c”, “d”, “e” and “f”) if necessary…
 
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I’m sorry but the budget excuse is exactly that. Adapt our targets to fit in with our budget, is what Sunderland or morcombe do. we have had all transfer window to get a striker or two in.. I’m not angry or feel like we are in a dire mess, however I feel it has been mismanaged. So we can’t sign the best players in the division, ok so get the best players in the lower division/non league, not even at a fee a lot of them them was out of contract. Maybe having a key member of the transfer team away was a problem for us. Is it not ok to question why we missed out on so many targets on a football forum. Also I can say all this and still like/back our manager and board, we are just frustrated and voicing this.
 

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Yep that's where I am. And going back to the data aspect again, this is what it's supposed to avoid. You have a list of potential players that fit a statistical profile, and if you don't get your top pick you work down that list. And in theory you don't have to go that far down the list, because the quality of the data is giving you players that aren't obvious or sought after.

Harrison and Duncan seem to me like going for a proven League 1 striker that we've heard of and played against (Harrison) and a Dewsnip/Lowe connected punt on a Merseyside/England youth (Duncan).

Not a criticism as such, because strikers are a different kettle of fish and we could just be unlucky, but I'd be extremely curious about if and how we're actually using this new data approach. Which is a pretty vague concept anyway, we've not really heard anything specific about that approach, in comparison to a club like Brentford.
 

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All negotiations should be conducted by a senior executive as the sole point of contact, there needs to be strict timetabling on agreements and strictly adhered sunset clauses on all offers, lastly there needs to be a plan “b” ( and “c”, “d”, “e” and “f”) if necessary…
But I'd guess that you have absolutely no idea whether this is actually how Argyle operated...

I'm not saying, at all, that Argyle are immune from criticism on this, or any other, front, but I don't think it is fair to criticize the club for acting (or not acting) in a specific manner when for all we know they didn't (or did!). There are so many factors at play here and it's just too easy for us to pile in with criticisms based on out own guesses of what actually happened (or didn't!).
 
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Telford would have been a good fit in Lowes style
 
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