Why are Argyle fans seemingly turning on themselves.

[mattym]

I to like many am passionate and worried about my club, but turning on each other for approaching the situation from different view points is not the way to help this club forward.

If I may make a suggestion, fans send email or letters of concern to Home Park media dept and copies to Plymouth Evening Herald, Radio etc. Constructively asking what are the true ambitions and direction the club wants to be taking.

Myself one question that always remains a thorn in my side and one I would ask any PA fan to consider is this.

When the bids to rescue Argyle from administration were submitted why were Brendan Geffoyle so apprehensive about James Brent's bid, and even after numerous missed financial deadlines by the rival and favoured bidders headed by the Turo chairman that BG still favoured the latter over JB?

I do have a concern which I truly hope is misguided but cant help that feel this was a move by JB as a shrude businessman to get his feet under the table with Plymouth City Council, Chamber of Commerce etc. So JB could put the wheels in motion for the development of land around the club, ala the Ice rink, Hotel & Casino, plus if he could be seen in a favourable light here could be lead developer for the Plymouth Pavillion's. As I may re-iterate I hope I am wrong?

 

[Ade the green]

Your post asks why fans are turning on each other then go on to write about a conspiracy theory regarding James Brent and advising everyone to write to Home Park and the Herald.

Answered your own question really haven't you.

Just to be clear. I have no doubts regarding James Brent. He has stated that he was never going to be a sugar daddy in the Abramovich mould and the club would have to be self funding. The reason the administrators were in the eyes of many reluctant to engage with James Brent is that he always said his was a bid of last resort. He would never have paid for exclusivity that Heaney promised and James' bid was considerably less than other bids that never materialised. More money from the bid meant more money for PANDA.

How the club is being run now is how the club will be run in the future unless and until a football loving, Plymouth loving Russian billionaire decides he'd like a country plaything.

 

[Graham Evans]

I dont think Argyle fans are turning on themselves , most of us can discuss Argyle matters in a civilized manner.It seems however that a hanfull of pasoti members resort to abuse every time anybody says anything they deem negative about Carl Fletcher or James Brent.
As for the second part of your post i would be interested to know why James Brent was given a huge chunk of publicly owned real estate (the pavillions) free of charge and 2 million in public money.I would also like to know if he owns the land that the ice rink is to be built on or if remains council owned.

 

[mattym]

Graham Evans "As for the second part of your post i would be interested to know why James Brent was given a huge chunk of publicly owned real estate (the pavillions) free of charge and 2 million in public money. I would also like to know if he owns the land that the ice rink is to be built on or if remains council owned".

Where did you here about the £2 million, is the fact or assumption, just I have been keeping a close eye on matters and cannot re-call any ref, this latter question though is a very credible one i.e. "I would also like to know if he owns the land that the ice rink is to be built on or if remains council owned".

Also would like to know if any of the revenue from these projects i.e. Ice Rink, Plymouth Pavillions will be invested back into PAFC.

 

[Greenblooded1]

Also would like to know if any of the revenue from these projects i.e. Ice Rink, Plymouth Pavillions will be invested back into PAFC.

:funny:

 

[bandwagon]

Also would like to know if any of the revenue from these projects i.e. Ice Rink, Plymouth Pavillions will be invested back into PAFC.

:funny:

Wished I didn't have to agree with that little smilie :doh:
Don't forget he's the 'reluctant buyer' - got a feeling that gem will be pulled outa the bag sometime in the future!!

 

[Graham Evans]

The gift of the pavillions and the 2 million was widely reported in the local media i.e. local newspapers anf television.This is not speculation on my part and i do not always believe what i read in the papers but i have no reason not to believe this.

 

[Keyham Pilgrim]

The administrators job is to get as much money for the creditors as he can. There is no doubt James Brent paid a pittance for this club but people have to realise we are not that attractive proposition as some think. No one with any real money wanted us. Lets not forget Stapleton tried for 2 years to sell this club before the NWO came in and we were a championship club then.

 

[PL2 3DQ]

The administrators job is to get as much money for the creditors as he can. There is no doubt James Brent paid a pittance for this club but people have to realise we are not that attractive proposition as some think. No one with any real money wanted us. Lets not forget Stapleton tried for 2 years to sell this club before the NWO came in and we were a championship club then.

£5.6m isn't a pittance, although granted the Council paid back £1.6m and wages were deferred but a sizeable amount was still paid out. Debt and liabilities were also taken on plus the cash injection for this season to make up for the shortfall.

 

[Graham Evans]

Not sure about the £5.6m , i seem to remember a much lower figure than this.

 

[Greenskin]

Your post asks why fans are turning on each other then go on to write about a conspiracy theory regarding James Brent and advising everyone to write to Home Park and the Herald.

Answered your own question really haven't you.

Just to be clear. I have no doubts regarding James Brent. He has stated that he was never going to be a sugar daddy in the Abramovich mould and the club would have to be self funding. The reason the administrators were in the eyes of many reluctant to engage with James Brent is that he always said his was a bid of last resort. He would never have paid for exclusivity that Heaney promised and James' bid was considerably less than other bids that never materialised. More money from the bid meant more money for PANDA.

How the club is being run now is how the club will be run in the future unless and until a football loving, Plymouth loving Russian billionaire decides he'd like a country plaything.

It would be nice to nail the myth about James Brent stating that the club will be self funding but the previous 100 odd attempts to do so have failed.But hey,lets have one more try.On completion of takeover,Mr Brent said;

"This is a big club and we will provide the financial support to get it to the level at which it should perform".

Now,people who have been in discussion with Mr Brent have said that a playing budget of £1.8 m has been provided this season,double the size of Exeter's apparently.Whether or not that is the absolute truth will not be ascertained until the club accounts are published next season but that sort of budget ain't going to be covered by gate money alone,especially when the team is struggling.He has stated that the club made a loss last season and has been budgeted to do so again this season.I would say it would be practically impossible to run any sort of football club at professional level without making a loss unless it has a successful season and they are few and far between for most clubs,Argyle being no exception.

And what is the relevance of a russian billionaire in trying to get Argyle out of this division,or indeed the next one up? All of our previous successes in the lower divisions have been bankrolled by local,semi wealthy professional and business people.It is when we reach the second tier that problems of under investment have been encountered.With our gates and even a modicum of extra support then getting out of this division at the right end should not present a particular long term problem.If indeed the budget has been set at the figure quoted earlier then the criteria would seem to have been met and there is a serious problem at management level-if not,then someone is spinning and trying to heap the failings of the club on the manager,which is not an unknown phenomenon at Argyle or other clubs.

 

[Alexander]

If there are fans turning on each other it is not a surprise if they express their views as some posters on this site do. As fed up as i am about the current results i am more fed up with the so called fans on this site who resort to constant abuse rather than constructive posts.

 

[marin(er)]

I have to say that the second part of the OP is something I have dare not suggest on here but.......

 

[Y2J]

When the bids to rescue Argyle from administration were submitted why were Brendan Geffoyle so apprehensive about James Brent's bid, and even after numerous missed financial deadlines by the rival and favoured bidders headed by the Turo chairman that BG still favoured the latter over JB?

Brent didn't want pay for exclusivity. If there was a legitimate bidder there to take the club on then he wouldn't stand in their way. BIL paid for exclusivity, so Guilfoyle was obligated to go with them and try to conclude a sale. As time went on it became very apparent that it was all smoke and mirrors, and the person behind it was morally and financially bankrupt. I feel a bit sorry for Guilfoyle now because he took a lot of criticism and at the end of the day was just doing his job. When Brent became the preferred bidder things moved very quickly and his firm agreed to a substantial reduction in their fees.

 

[X Isle]

My my, another agendamongering OP, there's a lot of it about, must be some government grant initiative to promote employment.

Peeps will insist on looking for issues with JB that don't exist won't they. Bit like looking for hope that doesn't exist in this seasons performances, or bad luck that doesn't exist over nearly half a season.

Guess that's why folk are turning on themselves, too many peeps looking for too many things that simply don't exist.