And the common denominator is that both went from lower divisions to PL with owners quite similar to ours (Madjeski and Whelan). Then, once they passed it on its been pretty much downhill since, certainly in financial terms. I would love to have seen Argyle in the old First Division - I'm not sure entering and leaving the PL delivers a similar experience.Only early in the season but that drops them in to the relegation zone! It also takes Wigan out of it who started on -8.