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Argyle 1 of 13 clubs backing the re-introduction of standing

Jul 29, 2010
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Good stuff, would love it back, kids these days don't know what they're missing.
 
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Gareth Nicholson

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Given our mooted grandstand isn't even at the design stage yet as far as I know, maybe Argyle should push to be a pilot. Could source funding from government/FA to help with construction costs.

Terrible journalism to include the line about PFA calling for netting around the grounds though. That has no relation whatsoever to the story.
 
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Tim Chown

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macleanie":2e7mp4t5 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20679867


thoughts?

i think i agree with our inclusion, will no doubt be a sensitive matter however im behind a trial at least.

Argyle are listed as a result of the Trust running the Safe Standing Roadshow at Home Park on 10th November and James Brent kindly giving his conditional support to the rail seat technology.

See http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/news/plymouthargyleownersupportssafestanding

You can write to your MP to support it via this link.

The club has stated that it's very unlikely the rail seating can be included in the new grandstand plans, due to the timing of potential regulation changes.
 
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I think it would be a good thing to bring back standing, especially at home park. I know even though it is an all seater i still stand when i'm watching the match
 
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Lord Tisdale

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Obviously being a follower of Devon's premier club I would be able to take advantage of the finest covered terrace in English football so the issue should be moot, similarly for two of the signees, AFC Womble and Brentford, they both still have standing, the problem is that so many clubs have had their day in the sun and are now sliding their way to oblivion that watching away is so often ruined by having to sit in some freezing cold, three quarters empty monolith to better times.

I hate sitting at a game, it's just wrong, I don't mind seats being provided for old'uns, gimps and plastics, just allow those of us who want to stand, to stand, preferably with a nice roof and a tea hut but those sort of luxuries are optional.

Terracing is not inherently dangerous so why hem everybody in with rows of barriers and seats that nobody wants ? When segregation and capacities are enforced the design of the Bank is perfectly adequate, FFS, the current capacity of the Bank is less than 4,000, back in the day you would have had twice times as many crammed in there, couldn't happen in these days of H&S and people's insistence on 'personal space', but imho football was real in them days.

I spent a lot of my week ends in the 70s and 80s trekking around many of the country's biggest and busiest grounds without ever seeing anybody seriously hurt on a terrace in the absence of hooliganism, bear in mind that back in the heady days for the hoolies there was no segregation at any level, all seater stadia was a licence to print money for certain football luminaries and was always more to do with money than safety, and therein lies the problem, well two problems actually as I have just heard on the radio that the families of the Hillsborough victims have getting their two penneth in early doors, terracing didn't kill the 96, there were plenty of reasons they died, one of them was not the lack of plastic seats. The most ridiculous part of the whole debate is that every week end, at grounds up and down the country, tens of thousands choose to stand in seating areas with the clubs accepting that they do not have the ability to make them sit, that can be a problem for those stuck in the middle who wish to sit, if the standers had another place to be the problem would go away.

The argument will not be made, too many people in power have too much of a vested interest in the status quo, can you boys actually see JB incorporating standing into the Mayflower rebuild so that the wide open swathes of empty green plastic in the rest of the ground becomes even more pronounced than it is now ? I remember well spending some pretty hairy 90 minutes on that particular piece of real estate back when the "Real Devon Derby" was not segregated, never saw anyone get seriously hurt mind.

On a positive note I should wish you boys well as you get your annual opportunity to partake of the fine standing facilities for visiting fans at Sid James on Saturday.
 
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Lord Tisdale":4mkb32pp said:
Obviously being a follower of Devon's premier club I would be able to take advantage of the finest covered terrace in English football so the issue should be moot, similarly for two of the signees, AFC Womble and Brentford, they both still have standing, the problem is that so many clubs have had their day in the sun and are now sliding their way to oblivion that watching away is so often ruined by having to sit in some freezing cold, three quarters empty monolith to better times.

I hate sitting at a game, it's just wrong, I don't mind seats being provided for old'uns, gimps and plastics, just allow those of us who want to stand, to stand, preferably with a nice roof and a tea hut but those sort of luxuries are optional.

Terracing is not inherently dangerous so why hem everybody in with rows of barriers and seats that nobody wants ? When segregation and capacities are enforced the design of the Bank is perfectly adequate, FFS, the current capacity of the Bank is less than 4,000, back in the day you would have had twice times as many crammed in there, couldn't happen in these days of H&S and people's insistence on 'personal space', but imho football was real in them days.

I spent a lot of my week ends in the 70s and 80s trekking around many of the country's biggest and busiest grounds without ever seeing anybody seriously hurt on a terrace in the absence of hooliganism, bear in mind that back in the heady days for the hoolies there was no segregation at any level, all seater stadia was a licence to print money for certain football luminaries and was always more to do with money than safety, and therein lies the problem, well two problems actually as I have just heard on the radio that the families of the Hillsborough victims have getting their two penneth in early doors, terracing didn't kill the 96, there were plenty of reasons they died, one of them was not the lack of plastic seats. The most ridiculous part of the whole debate is that every week end, at grounds up and down the country, tens of thousands choose to stand in seating areas with the clubs accepting that they do not have the ability to make them sit, that can be a problem for those stuck in the middle who wish to sit, if the standers had another place to be the problem would go away.

The argument will not be made, too many people in power have too much of a vested interest in the status quo, can you boys actually see JB incorporating standing into the Mayflower rebuild so that the wide open swathes of empty green plastic in the rest of the ground becomes even more pronounced than it is now ? I remember well spending some pretty hairy 90 minutes on that particular piece of real estate back when the "Real Devon Derby" was not segregated, never saw anyone get seriously hurt mind.

On a positive note I should wish you boys well as you get your annual opportunity to partake of the fine standing facilities for visiting fans at Sid James on Saturday.
Who did you support back then?
 

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The arguments against it just don't stack up any more. Reading the BBC article and comments the most logical responses and arguments came from the pro-standing debaters.

There is absolutely no reason we can't have safe standing, no reason whatsoever.

I didn't lose anyone at Hillsborough, so I don't want to come across as insensitive regarding that tragedy, but it was 1989. In 2012 there is no reason why standing, when properly managed and implemented, can't be safe.

I really hope the FA see sense with this. The Bundesliga is thriving and one part of that is standing areas at grounds and affordable tickets. If the FA don't wise up to this they will start to lose fans for life.
 
Pretty much agree with the famous Lord T's post, spot on really and thats worrying!!

Everything has changed so much since the late 70's and 80's (at most grounds anyway!!) that there is no safety argument against safe standing. Got some tickets off a mate for Norwich V Sunderland last week, so took my eldest (8) and he spent the whole game stood on a seat as everybody spent the whole game stood up and he couldn't see bugger all, far more hazardous than the wooden box my dad made me so I could see in the Lyndhurst!!
 
Sep 3, 2011
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Gareth Nicholson":3pur8raj said:
Given our mooted grandstand isn't even at the design stage yet as far as I know, maybe Argyle should push to be a pilot. Could source funding from government/FA to help with construction costs.

Terrible journalism to include the line about PFA calling for netting around the grounds though. That has no relation whatsoever to the story.
I agree, the mayflower terrace could be turned into this standing facility fairly easily, but it will not happen, 79 clubs in England and Wales have not yet supported the idea
 
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Tynan's Dad

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I wrote to the club a few years back suggesting that, as mentioned above, it would be great to see Argyle at the forefront of changing this legislation by pushing to be allowed a safe standing area.

At the time the reply was along the lines of the fact the rules would not allow it and that they were not interested in being a lead club in the change.

I still think it would be great to see Argyle setting a standard for other clubs to follow, pushing to be allowed a safe standing terrace and getting our name in the national news for a really positive reason.
 
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Tim Chown

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green eyed monster":cimxm51r said:
Not for me, give me a seat any day....

But if there is a choice then who cares, I can sit, you can stand

Indeed - it's all about choice.
 
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Lord Tisdale

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esmer":36y2dc4g said:
Who did you support back then?

What sort of a question is that ?

Real football fans can only ever "support" one team, Exeter City is not just for Christmas when they will be shagging both of Devon's loser clubs, it is for life, during the period in question I watched a lot of different clubs including the Green Turds during one of their more successful periods, I didn't "support" any of them.