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I think it's a balance with Jephcott, if paired with Hardie he is the one to drop deep as we need Hardie higher to stretch defences.
However he is also a poacher and you look at the likes of Kane and Sherringham who come deep but also have the instinct to know when to be in the box to finish a chance.
I think Jephcott is under rated, he's not been at his best at the end of last season but he's a key cog in the machine.
Am not Jephcott's biggest fan but perhaps the Sheringham type role will work. The key to it is timing runs into the box to get on the end of things. Much more difficult for defenders to pick up than someone just hanging around on the edge of 6 yard box.
 

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The ‘Bristol Live’ report on the game is very complementary about Argyle and the style of play.


That is very good and perfectly describes our new formation and the advantages it brings.
I really believe we should start the season with that formation - it keeps the favoured back three and wing back system - but obviously depends on the pre-season scouting reports on how Barnsley and Fleetwood play.
 

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I do like the idea of heavily involving the young guys.

For the first time in a long time I get the sense that they are actually here to be given a real chance.

We may well uncover another gem to go with the Cooper, Randell and Jephcott trilogy.
 

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That is very good and perfectly describes our new formation and the advantages it brings.
I really believe we should start the season with that formation - it keeps the favoured back three and wing back system - but obviously depends on the pre-season scouting reports on how Barnsley and Fleetwood play.
So this new formation… is it a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3?

I take it we have 2 holding midfielders that allow 2 wide/attacking players to play off a single striker?
 
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So this new formation… is it a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3?

I take it we have 2 holding midfielders that allow 2 wide/attacking players to play off a single striker?
From watching yesterday, both Azaz and Jephcott appeared to have freedom to roam when we were attacking, sometimes going wide , sometimes dropping deep and sometimes, particularly Azaz , getting more forward than Hardie . It appears that with more attack minded wing backs , we are going to have at least 3 other players in attacking/supporting areas looking to create and score goals. I wonder if Grant will maybe play more central, either a defensive midfield role or an attacking role , where his shooting ability would be a useful weapon in our attacking play .
We certainly appear to have a good selection of versatile wing backs and midfielders at the club now. At least one more striker and we could be in for another very good season.
 
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It was a good game until about 20 minutes from the end when as usual in a pre-season game the subs change the whole dynamic and intensity.
We had enough chances to have won but it was a mistake from a youngster that gifted BC the winning goal although the result really doesn't matter.

I really like the new 3-4-2-1 formation, it really suited some players such as Hardie and Randell.

Butcher and Randell were the two central midfielders and were flanked by the wing-backs Edwards and Miller who at times really bombed forward but also dropped into a back five when defending.

Jephcott and Azaz played just behind Hardie in the wider positions, it meant at times when we were attacking we would have an overload of three forwards plus the two wing-backs.

I like the formation, it was solid but can quickly change into a counterattack.
Hardie and the two wing-backs are the key in this formation to make it work. Hardie's pace makes us a much better team when he's playing, it didn't really work when Ennis replaced him.

It also suited Azaz who was able to get into attacking positions.

Randell had a great game, not only linking the play but also driving forward, he had the insurance of Butcher alongside him. Houghton might also benefit from having another central midfielder with him.

The formation will also play to the strengths of Mayor but maybe not so much for Camara (if he stays), he looked a little lost in the more advanced position.

Miller is a player, he gives so much pace on the left. Grant is all about passing and progressing up the pitch whereas Miller just gets the ball and bombs forward. He will be a key player for us.

I can't see how Lewis fits into any formation, it's early days for him because he's almost a new signing, however he looks lightweight.

It was good to see Galloway back for the last 15 minutes or so.

I tried out the lower Mayflower for the first time, the leg room is good but the lower view point is not so good compared to looking down onto the pitch from the Lyndhurst.

Overall a good workout and another formation in Schumacher's back pocket.

The chants from the BC fans during the first half were sickening, these pedophilia related chants from football fans started at games last season, the Argyle fan who was the target didn't help, he seemed to love the attention.
I think Alfie Lewis needs to offer a lot more than he has currently shown.

Football is becoming a very athletic game- not to say that shorter guys like Alfie can’t have a successful career. But to do that he’s going to need to be front and centre in games - like other players with the same stature have - the likes of erhun oztumer, Dennis wise and our own David Norris....
 
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We really have a intelligent manager at the helm.

One of Schumacher’s quotes was.

“We looked a little bit sharper than them going forward, especially in the first half, and created some really good opportunities. We just didn’t have that ruthless edge that we would like, to make one of those chances count.”

l think people can see we look reasonably solid. And there are some nice interchanges in the middle of the park. It’s just about can we be more clinical.

After watching it, and now the highlights, you can see have a number of good shooting opportunities. Whilst we didn’t trouble their keep enough we had a number of shots, which is pleasing.

Another pleasing point was Jephcott’s performance. I thought he played this deeper role well. When City countered and Edwards was out of position he tracked back and covered. There were one or two nice exchanges too. He isn’t very physical, but he seems to have an eye for a pass. Could be interesting few months seeing how he develops in that position.

My one disappointment with today is the way we still lose concentration too easily. Similar to the Swansea match.I don’t think City troubled us too much but if you watch the highlights some of their best chances, and goal, come from us just being sloppy. In the first half Martin just heads over from a corner. Argyle try to take a quick short goal kick and lose the ball on the edge of the box. Fortunately, it hits Scarr and goes out for a corner. In the second half, Cooper comes out of the box and under no pressure plays a pass into centre circle but its not getting to Randell. Then one quick pass and there in on goal. Cooper makes up for mistake.

l know this is the way we play. We take risks. But sometimes the risks need better judgement calls on whether those risks are always worth taking in our own third of the pitch. I felt sorry for the young lad who gave it away to concede the goal. l look at where he was passing it to and think is there any benefit in passing it to another Argyle player under pressure deep in the corner. Sometimes l wish we just clear our lines.

lm enjoying the fluidity of our formation. I think it allows the wing backs to get further forward. It will mean the opposition will expose us down the sides but 3ATB will always give the opposition a opportunity to exploit the space.

I just think at the moment we still very much getting use to the new system. I like the way though it’s going to allow people like Houghton & Randell more time on the ball. Butcher gives us legs in midfield. My one concern is Lewis. I’m just not sure what type of midfielder here is. Does he like to dictate the play for example? I can’t quite figure him out.

Azaz & Miller looks like decent signings. Keep Miller fit and we have some weapon on the left. Some of his crosses are delicious. I like Law in an attacking sense. Put in a great cross second half. Got on the end of the ball in behind just before the final whistle. He just needs to develop his defensive awareness.

Mumba shows one or two glimpses, got some decent forward runs, but also l think you could see he needs more time to get use to our system,as he got caught out when in possession.

l do think this next forward signing is important in the sense we need a spearhead to this formation. Not saying the others can’t do it, but l think if we going to compete at the top end of the table we need something better than we already have upfront. Otherwise, we may look a good side on the eye but not have that attacking punch.

Schumacher has forgotten more about football than I'll ever know, but we didn't create 'really good opportunities.'

Miller got in for a good chance and that was it. The rest were weak efforts from outside a congested penalty area, the sort of position where you'd be lucky if one in twenty attempts go in. Had Argyle restricted the home side to those kind of pot shots on an away trip, we'd be pretty happy.

The Bristol City report posted above has it better - Argyle's extra bodies in midfield meant we were able to pass circles around them (at least while we had a stronger side out in the first half) but their keeper was 'rarely troubled' - partly because the extra numbers in midfield meant we couldn't get into the attacking third so quickly.
 
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So this new formation… is it a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3?

I take it we have 2 holding midfielders that allow 2 wide/attacking players to play off a single striker?
I think it's what you want it to be - it can adjust from one to the other (and possibly other variations) pretty seamlessly, providing flexibility which we have lacked. People like to tie down what formation it is, but if it can move fluidly between multiple formations then it's much more difficult to play against.
 
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I like the new formation thus far. Rands was our best player but big mentions to Miller, Finn and Hotdog. Coops kicking did not seem to be his usual standards.

Of the subs I thought that Law did okay and had one exquisite cross, just a shame Mayor does not pass to him when he has space.

I was watching on Argyle TV so you do not always get the correct perspective, but it seemed to me that at points when we were bringing the ball out from the back Rands played the central CB role bringing the ball out rather than Scarr. interesting idea, giving the ball to our best passer to start the moves.o
 

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Randell will thrive at that deep play maker role. I don’t think there’s a better long range passer of the ball than him.
 

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Randell will thrive at that deep play maker role. I don’t think there’s a better long range passer of the ball than him.

I don't think Randell and Butcher played deep in the same way that Houghton does, they were probably five to ten yards further forward both were able to drive forward.

It's a difficult formation to explain because there's a lot of moving parts, best to see it in action if we use it again.
 
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I don't think Randell and Butcher played deep in the same way that Houghton does, they were probably five to ten yards further forward both were able to drive forward.

It's a difficult formation to explain because there's a lot of moving parts, best to see it in action if we use it again.
I guess if it’s fluid and interchangeable then thy in itself poses a significant challenge to the opposition.

Something that we’ve lacked for a while. Losing that predictable will give us another edge.
 
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I see it as a 3-4-2-1, 2 attacking mids and 2 holding midfielders. Although with Luke Jephcott being one of the two players behind Hardie yesterday, it could easily turn into a 3-4-1-2. Very fluid.
 

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Just been catching up on Argyle TV. In general very impressed with the fluidity and movement especially in the first half with the 'first team' playing and with the many chances created.
Less impressed with the finishing especially getting excellent crosses, especially from Miller , into the net with feet or heads, and our shooting didn't really worry their goalkeeper either. That is the area that most needs working on and it is clear from his comments that Schumacher agrees.
But an encouraging start.