Who do we want as our new Manager

[McQ]

I think Liam Rosenior has become an overwhleming favourite to become Argyle's next Head Coach not so much for what he has achieved but the person he is and how he would fit into the 'One Argyle' approach that so underpins our club from top to bottom. Would we be persuaded by someone who managed only 12 times in League One before appointing him as your manager in the Championship - probably not. Rosenior's unique attachment to Hull City persuded the club to take the risk on him. Risk is what it was and he achieved an improvement, if not always the style of play, that would have satisfied most owners.

When you look at taking risks on appointing Head Coaches who have not managed before the top three divisons have been won by clubs who took the risk their appointment of a Head Coach - Arteta, Maresco (apart from six months) and Mousinho. Then you add McKenna who achieved back to back promotions into the Premiership. Rohl achieved miracles in his first managerial job. Neil and Nance had only a handful games of Championship managerial experience in securing Argyle's survival.

Given the 'Foster experience' it is inevitable that attenion is drawn to the requirement to appoint someone with experience of managing in the Championship. Inevitably that will mean appointing someone who has failed at a Championship club unless we pay compensation for someone in a current job who hasn't. We could go for up and coming League One / Two managers on the basis that they have managed and not been an assistant coach. Would any of them have the skills to manage in the second tier?

The irony is that Ian Foster did have managerial experience. He got a first tier club in Ireland to their Cup Final and into Europe over 96 games. Sometimes managerial experience is not an absolute prequisite. Foster went wrong horribly because he tipped upside down the 'One Argyle' formula and lack the communication and motivationsl skills to implement his adverse ideas.

Change offers the temptation is often to react in an opposite direction. The clamour of some undermines that approach when in truth the best person for the job is the one that fits 'One Argyle' and not someone who wants to mould it into something else. That may mean taking a risk on someone with no managerial experience. I think the key is to ensure the appointment comes with an experienced No.2. Rohl notably appointed Chris Powell and Schuey appointed Keith Downing.

Liam Rosenior remains our best fit. If he is understandably tempted elsewhere we should not shut our eyes to the best of coaches even if they have no managerial experience. That is unless we are prepared to pay to take someone else from a club - something that Simon understandably seems reluctant to do.

Good summary, couple of points, I don't think Schuey appointed KD, I think that came from the club, and maybe a personal shout from ND, which ultimately it looks a little like we did this year, however the big difference was that Schuey had the humility to accept the help and early on. IF seemed like he would go the whole season 'assessing'! So agree, an established team or people (like Schuey did with Hughes) ready to move into that role, is essential.

2nd point, have you awarded the premier league to Arsenal there?😀

 

[Biggs]

Anthony Barry ticks the box for those that like a bit of passion on the touchline, he was getting very agitated in last night's Real-Bayern game

 

[Mark Pedlar]

Hull didn't play defensive football in either game against us. And their stats do not reflect that of a defensive team either

Part of the reason we did so well in both games was that our press was successful because they play very slowly out from the back.

Can anyone name me another team who is poor when pressed high up the pitch and who played very slowly out from the back under Foster.

 

[Railway sleeper]

Do we have any examples of novice coaches / managers appointed full time by a championship club ( or first division as it was previously called) - ever taking their new clubs to a mid- table ( or higher than mid- table ) finish ??

Joe Edwards and ian foster didnt suceed this season - but my question is : has any 'first timer' ever achieved this ??

 

[Green guile]

Do we have any examples of novice coaches / managers appointed full time by a championship club ( or first division as it was previously called) - ever taking their new clubs to a mid- table ( or higher than mid- table ) finish ??

Joe Edwards and ian foster didnt suceed this season - but my question is : has any 'first timer' ever achieved this ??

Ummm... Enzo. Maybe he doesn't count.

 

[Argyologist]

Do we have any examples of novice coaches / managers appointed full time by a championship club ( or first division as it was previously called) - ever taking their new clubs to a mid- table ( or higher than mid- table ) finish ??

Joe Edwards and ian foster didnt suceed this season - but my question is : has any 'first timer' ever achieved this ??

Danny Rohl effectively did that, based on where he started with Wednesday.

 

[Joe Totale]

Do we have any examples of novice coaches / managers appointed full time by a championship club ( or first division as it was previously called) - ever taking their new clubs to a mid- table ( or higher than mid- table ) finish ??

Joe Edwards and ian foster didnt suceed this season - but my question is : has any 'first timer' ever achieved this ??

Michael Carrick last season if you don't count his 3 games in charge as caretaker at Man U.

Enzo Maresca as mentioned above although he was given the best team in the league.

 

[TimHarris]

Cannot believe a person of such high calibre as David Unsworth has not made the poll…

 

[Railway sleeper]

Thanks for replies guys

At Argyle there are only foster, shilton, kemp and mariner, I can think of ( novice managers appointed whilst the club was in the championship or equivalent)- with two of those appointments culminating in relegation.

Foster possibly would have got us relegated, as well ( who knows)

Kempy I liked a lot, for some reason ( I think that was because of his personal qualities) but the football was dire - even though he performed a minor miracle by keeping us up- just.....

 

[Monster Green]

Part of the reason we did so well in both games was that our press was successful because they play very slowly out from the back.

Can anyone name me another team who is poor when pressed high up the pitch and who played very slowly out from the back under Foster.

Playing slowly is not defensive tho IMO.

 

[Mark Pedlar]

Playing slowly is not defensive tho IMO.

True but it's not exciting, high risk either. Just seems to me that Rosenior may be more Foster than Schumacher.

 

[monkeywrench]

True but it's not exciting, high risk either. Just seems to me that Rosenior may be more Foster than Schumacher.

It is if you're subject to the high press.

 

[PL2 Pilgrim]

So as they are not on the llllooooonnngggg list can we rule out Scott Parker or Gus Poyet....? Tin Hat on!

 

[PutneyPete]

Cannot believe a person of such high calibre as David Unsworth has not made the poll…

Because David Unsworth has not been very good as a Head Coach / Manager ...
In 1 year, played 51 games and had a win percentage of 27.45%

 

[Graham Clark]

True but it's not exciting, high risk either. Just seems to me that Rosenior may be more Foster than Schumacher.

I think the truth may be somewhere in between. On Saturday I thought Hull's playing out from the back was risky and did not progress them up the pitch. I thought then if Argyle played like that those of a nervous dispostion would not easily tolerate it. Equally Hull went toe to toe with Ipswich in a highly entertaining 3-3 draw. Funnily enough, Schuey achieved a significant improvement in form with Stoke at the end of the season by largely abandoning his footballing principles.

You need a highly accomplished team to consistently play with attacking verve in the Championship. The top six largely achieved that with the occasional blemish. The rest relied more upon physicality and athleticism to breach the skill gap and this is where I think the new Head Coach will have to concentrate his thinking and recruitmnet to move us incrementally up the Championship table.