Home Park Development (PCC agenda 14th December 2pm)

[Quizmike]

My only take on the hybrid is that it does save us (PAFC) money and if I were JB I'd have done exactly the same. It just makes sense in several ways.

Mixing the grandstand refurbishment in with the other development slows down and complicates the planning process.

If the grandstand development was submitted as a separate planning application it could save a great deal of time and controversy. Quite possibly it would have had planning permission by now.

Any delays in the grandstand refurbishment will cost the club money, which is likely to be insignificant in comparison to the cost of submitting two separate planning applications. It doesn't cost THAT much money to submit a planning application for a relatively simple thing like a grandstand refurbishment- probably less than Nadir Ciftci's wages for a week. Bear in mind that the plans/drawings etc have already been prepared as part of the larger application.

The club could submit this now and let the Council make a decision on both applications at the same time.

There seems to be an assumption that the refurb application just has to be rubber stamped. If I were a planning officer I would be particularly concerned with how the plans deal with the asbestos in the current structure rather than the new buildings in the plan.

I've seen asbestos talked about elsewhere and I can't work out why people think it's a massive deal. If it need to be removed, we use an asbestos removal company. If it doesn't need to be disturbed, it remains. It's not lie we've never known it's there.

50% of buildings still have asbestos in them. If your ceiling is artexed it's got asbestos in it. It perfectly safe until it's disturbed.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2011/ ... lth-hazard

 

[IJN]

I can remember the demolition of the Lyndhurst was delayed for a little while whilst the asbestos was dealt with, I think it was a matter of a week.

I agree with you Mike, I don't think it will be an impediment to the planning process.

 

[gaspargomez]

Asbestos is not a planning matter. It is covered by other legislation.

 

[PL2 3DQ]

Some drawings and images have been added to the PCC planning website.

Highways England have submitted a new letter and offer no objection to the development and Sports England, subject to clarification on uses of the ice rink and football community changing rooms, raise no objection to the application.

 

[HC Green]

I am seeing on other Argyle related “chat spaces” that the FOURTH set of planning application amendments have been submitted ??

What’s the truth on this ........ there was so much debate in the past ?

Anyone know ?

The latest documents posted are tweaks and amendments to the scheme requested by the Council’s planning department.
The main change is the reconfiguration of the Hotel on the Western Gateway site, to improve access and pedestrians safety but there is no change to the overall footprint of the site.

 

[GreenArmy1984]

Great update in The Pilgrim Matchday Programme on Tuesday on night vs Northampton

Exciting Times

 

[Bermudian Green]

Great update in The Pilgrim Matchday Programme on Tuesday on night vs Northampton

Exciting Times

Perhaps you could reproduce or precis the comments for those of not fortunate enough to be there? Anything we don't already know?

 

[The Grumpy Loyal]

“it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.”

WTF?? I know Brent promised transparency many years ago, But even I never thought it’d be so easy to see right through him.

How does the above statement make any sense? There will be a virtual blank canvas to build an Ice Rink on once the pre-fabs are blown over!

Of course what he really means is.....’Millbay is where I’m going to make my real fortune, so the Ice Rink can wait’.


http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/whats-o ... led-845370

 

[IJN]

I really don't get that??? The story seems to contradict itself in so many ways.

The Colin Campbell Court end can’t be re-developed until we have moved the ice, but we are hoping to move forward with that quickly.

He said work could start on the grandstand and rink in 2018.

But any development on the Western Approach side of the leisure complex wouldn’t be able to take place until after Mr Brent has built a new ice rink at Plymouth Argyle’s Home Park ground.

We have been in talks with contractors to start work fairly soon after the granting of planning permission,” Mr Brent said. “If we get planning consent before Christmas we can start work at Home Park in the first quarter of 2018.

“After the grandstand we could get the ice built by mid-2019.

“We want to crack on with Home Park and the ice rink as soon as possible.

Oh and as you are obviously a wizard at finance, what do you make of this then?

Mr Brent acquired the Pavilions site in 2012.

At that time the operation was making a loss of about £1.7million a year and Mr Brent said the venue was propped up via previous owner Plymouth City Council’s grant funding.

But he said the Pavilions now turns in a “small” profit.

He said this came from a “better usage of the facility” and “smart” ideas from the management, such as VIP offers and even insurance coverage for people unable to attend gigs they’d already paid for.

As a Plymouth Citizen, I'm quite chuffed that the man is saving us this money. White Elephant? Well it isn't now?

 

[Biggs]

“it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.”

WTF?? I know Brent promised transparency many years ago, But even I never thought it’d be so easy to see right through him.

How does the above statement make any sense? There will be a virtual blank canvas to build an Ice Rink on once the pre-fabs are blown over!

Of course what he really means is.....’Millbay is where I’m going to make my real fortune, so the Ice Rink can wait’.


http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/whats-o ... led-845370

I read that as 'it will take more time to build on the rink side of the Pavilions because they have to build one at HP first. Whereas the other side of the Pavilions is just a car park and easy to get started with sooner'

Seems to make perfect sense. No?

 

[Kentishgreen]

So what if he makes money out of the Pavilions site. Maybe he’ll be able to put more into the football club. Who knows, certainly nobody who is not a property developer. It’ll also be good for an area of the city that looks like a tidied up bomb site.

 

[CADMAN]

So what if he makes money out of the Pavilions site. Maybe he’ll be able to put more into the football club. Who knows, certainly nobody who is not a property developer. It’ll also be good for an area of the city that looks like a tidied up bomb site.

I am sure James has always said the football club needs to stand on its own feet. Anyway, he only owns half of P.A.F.C.

 

[The Grumpy Loyal]

“it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.”

WTF?? I know Brent promised transparency many years ago, But even I never thought it’d be so easy to see right through him.

How does the above statement make any sense? There will be a virtual blank canvas to build an Ice Rink on once the pre-fabs are blown over!

Of course what he really means is.....’Millbay is where I’m going to make my real fortune, so the Ice Rink can wait’.


http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/whats-o ... led-845370

I read that as 'it will take more time to build on the rink side of the Pavilions because they have to build one at HP first. Whereas the other side of the Pavilions is just a car park and easy to get started with sooner'

Seems to make perfect sense. No?

Are you serious? The Pavilions Ice Rink is being KNOCKED DOWN. The only ice rink allegedly being ‘built’, is at HHP.

 

[esmer]

“it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.”

WTF?? I know Brent promised transparency many years ago, But even I never thought it’d be so easy to see right through him.

How does the above statement make any sense? There will be a virtual blank canvas to build an Ice Rink on once the pre-fabs are blown over!

Of course what he really means is.....’Millbay is where I’m going to make my real fortune, so the Ice Rink can wait’.


http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/whats-o ... led-845370

I read that as 'it will take more time to build on the rink side of the Pavilions because they have to build one at HP first. Whereas the other side of the Pavilions is just a car park and easy to get started with sooner'

Seems to make perfect sense. No?

Are you serious? The Pavilions Ice Rink is being KNOCKED DOWN. The only ice rink allegedly being ‘built’, is at HHP.

I don't think you understand. He can't demolish the Pavilions ice rink until the new ice rink at HHP is up and running. It's a planning condition.

 

[esmer]

“it will take time to build the rink and it is therefore more likely he will develop the Millbay side of the Pavilions site first.”

WTF?? I know Brent promised transparency many years ago, But even I never thought it’d be so easy to see right through him.

How does the above statement make any sense? There will be a virtual blank canvas to build an Ice Rink on once the pre-fabs are blown over!

Of course what he really means is.....’Millbay is where I’m going to make my real fortune, so the Ice Rink can wait’.


http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/whats-o ... led-845370

I read that as 'it will take more time to build on the rink side of the Pavilions because they have to build one at HP first. Whereas the other side of the Pavilions is just a car park and easy to get started with sooner'

Seems to make perfect sense. No?

I think it makes perfect sense to most people