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Women's team statement & now two club statements (page 33&76 -16 June)

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Yes seems more and more that that must have been the thinking, give it a go for one year and see what happens. I guess that wasn't communicated to Marie and the players though, they would have been expecting at least a couple of goes.

Trouble is that after what has now happened, the women's team is in a worse position than it was before Marie came in. No manager, apparently no back room staff, hardly any players and a reputation and funding situation which will make it much harder to attract new players. Feels like women's football at Argyle will disappear without a trace, shame, why did we bother in the first place only to end up here?
We don't know what contract Marie was on, but the players were all on one year contracts, as is the norm in women's football.

Last season there was twice the opportunity for promotion, so we went for it. We brought in a proper manager, staff, and better players. all at additional expense, over and above the £200,000 it had been costing us.

Unfortunately we failed, but it was an experience that the club can learn from.

Because we failed we now return to our original position before the start of last season.

I don't understand why people have a problem with this. It is alleged that it cost Bournemouth £2m for last season.

Our finances do not allow us to continue with last season's players when we have to compete for just one promotion spot.

Last season was a one off, we took the risk/reward position of going for promotion but failed, just, so we now return to where we were prior to last season.

Unfortunate but, financially, the right thing to do.
 

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I am usually supportive of the club and far less cynical than a number on here, but I'm finding it really difficult to support Argyle's decision in this case.

If Argyle have done nothing wrong, then why release a statement that they will review the way it was communicated?
I don't believe for one moment that the email was merely the supporting documentation.

I think that is more likely to have happened is that Marie was informed that the budget was to be cut, that she should tell the players that contracts would not be renewed. Her reaction was such that she would resign with immediate effect (in PR parlance), but what is more likely is that she told them that they could shove the job where the sun doesn't shine. A few days later someone asks if the players had been told and in a panic the email was hastily written and sent (not read and not edited).

Let's assume that Marie had said that she would inform the players, but subsequently decided to resign. I would have expected one of the first things to happen would be to find out if she had, indeed, carried out what she said she would do before she left the building. However, having a disgruntled employee about to leave (or having already left), I would have contacted at least one or two players to establish if they had been told and to write a carefully worded email when it was discovered that she hadn't.

Simon's idea is that PAFC is about the wider community than just the men's team. Women's football is on the rise, and it seems the decision is that it has to be scaled back as we can't afford it. It is a reasonable argument, but that can equally be applied to the men's team, many time over. Perhaps discussions have already taken place: "OK, we need to sell players to cut our losses, and we'll give the local lads a chance to play for us. Luke's lad can play in goal, we've got Caleb Roberts in midfield and Freddie can start on the wing. And we'll give the players a pint of gold top at half time."
 
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We don't know what contract Marie was on, but the players were all on one year contracts, as is the norm in women's football.

Last season there was twice the opportunity for promotion, so we went for it. We brought in a proper manager, staff, and better players. all at additional expense, over and above the £200,000 it had been costing us.

Unfortunately we failed, but it was an experience that the club can learn from.

Because we failed we now return to our original position before the start of last season.

I don't understand why people have a problem with this. It is alleged that it cost Bournemouth £2m for last season.

Our finances do not allow us to continue with last season's players when we have to compete for just one promotion spot.

Last season was a one off, we took the risk/reward position of going for promotion but failed, just, so we now return to where we were prior to last season.

Unfortunate but, financially, the right thing to do.
We will disagree that it is the right thing to do.

The 200k figure came when we were well into the season, and even very recently Paul Berne has stated its 1% of the playing budget and that there were other areas to cut first.

So it begs the question, why havent those things been cut first?
Why is Michael Baidoo still an Argyle player?
Sell him for 500k and alongside the wage recooperation that would likely sustain the womens team!

J20 still has another 2 years as womens team shirt sponsor... yet you can never buy them from the shop. Will they now pull the plug too?

To reduce or even level out funding could be understood.
This move by the club however is an almost complete rug pull of everything... back to zero!

All players released! Not even keeping your best ones!
Argyle women will likely be relegated next season if we have to recruit from U18s and local players.
 
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It seems like an incredible difficult decision for the board to make and feel sympathetic towards it.

I feel brining up previous mistakes of players just have no weight to it. Baidoo was a mistake, we all know that, but we cannot just go and sell him if there isnt a realistic offer and also if the player doesn't want to sign for that club, so its a void argument.

I have seen people mention Clevery is a millionaire, why isnt he helping. Just simply isn't his responsibility, it's the clubs.

It is always going to be the simple case of providing something that is sustainable. This will be increasing the financial income within the women's game, like shirt sales 100%, but the club have tried to increase the profile throughout this season. The club will continue to fund the women's team, it isnt disappearing, but the club is having to wade through previous very bad mistakes with finances. You cannot blame Paul Berne for all of these mistakes of player trading or different areas of investment, he has been dealt a crap hand and is trying to pull the club out of it.

There is a reason we have someone in that position with his background, is to stop the club spiralling out of control.
 
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Poorly worded by me probably.
I was trying to say that whilst everyone is entitled to an opinion, if your opinion is that this situation is ok... then maybe you shouldnt be entitled to an opinion! 🤣

Was a little tounge-in-cheek, but i am a little baffled how some can defend Paul Berne and the club over this situation.
Thanknyou for that. I did after all kind of understand.

It is difficult. I enjoyed the Lionesses a few summers ago but, if I am completely honest, I get increasingly irritated at the equality afforded to the women's game. Only recently I saw/heard a comparison between a woman's scoring record for England and Jimmy Greaves. I think she had just passed his total.As I see it, what people are missing is how many Jimmy would have scored against the same defences as the lady and vice verca. Not a popular opinion maybe, but its what I feel.

So although I can see this could have been better handled perhaps, by asdociation, I have allowed my initial intolerance to.mask the seriousness of it.
 
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May or may not be connected, but has anyone seen the podcast with Charlie Methven talking about investment in women’s teams. He basically says other than prem clubs with strong finances any investment is likely to divert money away from the men’s team, sort of implying that lower league teams cannot really afford it in challenging times.

Strategic thinking and emotional intelligence was not very evident in this entire piece.
 
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Exactly.

This bit is particularly cynical:
"When shall we tell these girls they've got a few weeks to find a new club and uproot themselves?"
"Well, after the photoshoot obviously"
Their contracts would have clear start and end dates. They agreed and signed the contracts. Imagine the shock horror that you're expected to work until the end of your contract!
 
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May or may not be connected, but has anyone seen the podcast with Charlie Methven talking about investment in women’s teams. He basically says other than prem clubs with strong finances any investment is likely to divert money away from the men’s team, sort of implying that lower league teams cannot really afford it in challenging times.

Strategic thinking and emotional intelligence was not very evident in this entire piece.
I remember hearing Methven say this (or similar) and at the time thought it was a bit odd because previously I had read/heard him talking about the value/importance of women's football as part of the overall footballing community of a club. My feeling/instinct was that whilst he was supportive of women's football in theory, when he put on his football club finance/strategy hat on it was clear that the numbers (£s) associated with women's football at higher levels just didn't add up. I felt it was a case of yes in theory but no in practice, at least not unless you were a mega-rich club.

It does seem entirely possible that cutting back the £s going into the women's team at this point is a move to restructure the club's finances prior to a takeover, either because that's something an investor (or group of investors) stipulated as part of a deal that is in the process of being agreed. But obviously, it's also entirely possible (and actually more likely) that this has simply been a cost-cutting move not linked to any external interest.
 

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We've had some way over the top reactions here. A save the club petition, save the club from what? It's not being scrapped it's just getting less funding! They've all been sacked, no they haven't the majority are not having the contracts renewed, the same as Galloway, Benarous, Ashby-Hammond etc aren't having contracts renewed. The women should be supported more than the men's team, no they shouldn't the whole point of the club is the mens team, without the mens team there is no club so then no woman's team. Was the email not great, yes. Should it have been more personal, yes. Should it have been Marie that told the players 1st, yes the same as it would have been Cleverley that told the men that were out of contract. Did she tell them though, who knows, if she did then they've been a bit naughty, if she didn't then she's let the players down by just walking and leaving them to it with out her support.
Best post I’ve read on this . Spot on
 
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We don't know what contract Marie was on, but the players were all on one year contracts, as is the norm in women's football.

Last season there was twice the opportunity for promotion, so we went for it. We brought in a proper manager, staff, and better players. all at additional expense, over and above the £200,000 it had been costing us.

Unfortunately we failed, but it was an experience that the club can learn from.

Because we failed we now return to our original position before the start of last season.

I don't understand why people have a problem with this. It is alleged that it cost Bournemouth £2m for last season.

Our finances do not allow us to continue with last season's players when we have to compete for just one promotion spot.

Last season was a one off, we took the risk/reward position of going for promotion but failed, just, so we now return to where we were prior to last season.

Unfortunate but, financially, the right thing to do.
But not the way it was that's the problem was that the right decision all over the news and press