Wayne Rooney

[Ipplepen green]

Wasn’t Foster’s final 2 games against Norwich and Bristol city

 

[Balham Green]

One last thing before I catch me train.

The only reason our season was destabilised was Rooney. The players were all happy and motivated for the first time in years (pathetic I know). Even when Wayne came in and eustace was sacked the players really wanted to make it work.

Eustace was a great guy but our owners are extremely optimistic with the future. We are the 3rd biggest inward investment in the UK, purchased the land to create the biggest sports quarter in the UK, 60k stadium, 6th biggest revenue outside of ‘top 6’ ETC. sadly Eustace didn’t fit that bill.

neither did Rooney obviously but he was quickly dismissed then poor Mowbray being struck with cancer really hurt the entire club, just after some of the best football I’ve seen down St Andrews. You’d be extremely lucky but now he’s recovering he would be the man to take you forward. Proper, proper bloke. I know he’s boring but even Rowett would keep you up if you got him in now.

For the record, Wayne didn’t relegate us but he was the biggest factor.

But he left 4 months before the end of season!

 

[Greenarmy1234]

Rooney has great people skills. That has been said by a few players he's managed at previous clubs on various podcasts. I don't remember though any of them saying he was a tactical genius. Even if he is, he'll still need good coaches who are strong enough to disagree with him, when needed. Adding a more experienced been there and done it coach to the set up, to support the existing team can only help. I wonder if Mike Phelan is still interested.

Ive always believed Mike Phelan would help massively. He was a huge part of Fergies latter success at man utd and would add bags of experience

 

[SWTT]

One last thing before I catch me train.

The only reason our season was destabilised was Rooney. The players were all happy and motivated for the first time in years (pathetic I know). Even when Wayne came in and eustace was sacked the players really wanted to make it work.

Eustace was a great guy but our owners are extremely optimistic with the future. We are the 3rd biggest inward investment in the UK, purchased the land to create the biggest sports quarter in the UK, 60k stadium, 6th biggest revenue outside of ‘top 6’ ETC. sadly Eustace didn’t fit that bill.

neither did Rooney obviously but he was quickly dismissed then poor Mowbray being struck with cancer really hurt the entire club, just after some of the best football I’ve seen down St Andrews. You’d be extremely lucky but now he’s recovering he would be the man to take you forward. Proper, proper bloke. I know he’s boring but even Rowett would keep you up if you got him in now.

For the record, Wayne didn’t relegate us but he was the biggest factor.

Your season was destablised by board decisions, not Rooney. Garry Cook's "no fear football" comment did not help Wayne and contradicted the plan that they had put in place - in which they knew that was not immediately possible, but something to work towards.

Behind closed doors they understood that, but the message to fans was immediate and set Rooney up for failure from the off.

Rooney was a terrible manager for you, but the owners are responsible for how the season went.

 

[Argonut]

Eliminate anything and anyone who is still here from a year ago under Schuey. What's left? in that lies the issue.

 

[Mad4it1978]

As has been said, we as fans of our club need to be realistic in our expectations. We are a stronger club than this time last year which is progress but the basic aim of this season is again to avoid relegation. If we finish in the same position as last season that is success and mission achieved so we can then develop that bit more over the summer just as we did last. That would represent success for us and we can’t lose sight of that. We are never going to genuinely compete in this league unless we get serious investment and that would start at £100m, which isn’t going to happen. If we sack Wazza then who replaces, what does it cost us and what will they be able to do on our very limited budget that, let’s face it, nobody has ever been able to do in the history of the club?

I for one am enjoying being in the Championship, signing million pound players and bidding more for talent from the continent, playing last years premiership teams and even not starting the FA cup until the 3rd round. I bet fans of the likes of Wycombe, Peterborough, Exeter (hehe) etc would give their right arm to be where we are right now so I say we should enjoy it. Yes we’ve been hammered a few times this season but we’ve also had great home park days and nights that will live in the memory of many. Look for the positives and you will find them and above all enjoy and be proud to be a green. Back Rooney, back the players, back the board and the fantastic Mr Hallett and look forward to another season in the Championship next season and further improvement in our club.

Cue the keyboard warriors….

 

[philevs]

WR’s comments about changing all 11 players v Bristol City if he could, but can’t because of injuries, is pathetic.
He will lose the dressing room, if he hasn’t already done so.

 

[greenwater]

The season before Rooney took over Birmingham finished 17th on 53 points (so 1.15 points per game with Eustace as manager). The season before that they were 20th with 47 points (1.02 points per game with Lee Bowyer as manager) and the one before that they were 18th with 52 point (1.13 points per game with Karanka and Bowyer as managers). So whilst Rooney didn't do very well at Birmingham he can't really be blamed for Birmingham's woes. They have been pretty rubbish for years and the players that Rooney worked with were all in place before he got there. Birmingham might have been 6th under Eustace when he was sacked but no-one can surely think that they would have finished anywhere near that position at the end of the season. They'd only played a small number of games at the start of the season when a win or two can elevate a team's league position hugely. Okay, Rooney didn't make things better and he probably made things worse (but perhaps only temporarily so - who knows?) but he's just a convenient scapegoat for Birmingham fans on who they could lump all their disappointment and shame about their team's disappointing (or at least below expectations) performances over multiple years.

Great Post Doc

 

[greenking]

WR’s comments about changing all 11 players v Bristol City if he could, but can’t because of injuries, is pathetic.
He will lose the dressing room, if he hasn’t already done so.

Yeah, its bit of a bizarre thing to say.
Gotta wonder what good that would do to someone like Andre Gray.
Cant imagine he will be all that keen on sticking around in January if the manager is throwing him under the bus

 

[pafc jack]

Exactly my worry too. We looked miles better than this with similar level personnel in games last season, where this year players are getting the ball and having to make decisions every time. Under SS it was more telepathic because they'd worked on those patterns constantly in training.

He did say he thought modern football was too structured in his joining interview, which in hindsight is a slight worry as may point to giving players too much freedom on the ball and NOT having those drilled patterns of play. That's fine with Champions League superhumans on the same wavelength, but not for relative journeymen and up and coming players.

Having said that, I thought we were looking well coached and fluent pre (and even for the first 15 mins of) that nightmare Cardiff game, so I'm really not sure what's happened since then.

Do you know which exact interview did he say that about modern football?

 

[Balham Green]

As has been said, we as fans of our club need to be realistic in our expectations. We are a stronger club than this time last year which is progress but the basic aim of this season is again to avoid relegation. If we finish in the same position as last season that is success and mission achieved so we can then develop that bit more over the summer just as we did last. That would represent success for us and we can’t lose sight of that. We are never going to genuinely compete in this league unless we get serious investment and that would start at £100m, which isn’t going to happen. If we sack Wazza then who replaces, what does it cost us and what will they be able to do on our very limited budget that, let’s face it, nobody has ever been able to do in the history of the club?

I for one am enjoying being in the Championship, signing million pound players and bidding more for talent from the continent, playing last years premiership teams and even not starting the FA cup until the 3rd round. I bet fans of the likes of Wycombe, Peterborough, Exeter (hehe) etc would give their right arm to be where we are right now so I say we should enjoy it. Yes we’ve been hammered a few times this season but we’ve also had great home park days and nights that will live in the memory of many. Look for the positives and you will find them and above all enjoy and be proud to be a green. Back Rooney, back the players, back the board and the fantastic Mr Hallett and look forward to another season in the Championship next season and further improvement in our club.

Cue the keyboard warriors….

So I assume you are a regular attender at Away games and are enjoying those?

 

[The Bishop]

Deja vu?Change all 11 players

 

[rsp4]

Do you know which exact interview did he say that about modern football?

It was one of the early ones in the summer. Could even have been the one done at the posh golf course the other side of the tamar when he joined

 

[Balham Green]

Deja vu?Change all 11 players

It's never his fault

 

[Brummie In Peace]

Your season was destablised by board decisions, not Rooney. Garry Cook's "no fear football" comment did not help Wayne and contradicted the plan that they had put in place - in which they knew that was not immediately possible, but something to work towards.

Behind closed doors they understood that, but the message to fans was immediate and set Rooney up for failure from the off.

Rooney was a terrible manager for you, but the owners are responsible for how the season

Your season was destablised by board decisions, not Rooney. Garry Cook's "no fear football" comment did not help Wayne and contradicted the plan that they had put in place - in which they knew that was not immediately possible, but something to work towards.

Behind closed doors they understood that, but the message to fans was immediate and set Rooney up for failure from the off.

Rooney was a terrible manager for you, but the owners are responsible for how the season went.

The owners arent responsible because Gary Cook isn’t an owner, he’s the director of football. I do understand that you couldn’t care less about us so I thought you might not understand just how bad Rooney was.

15 games, 2 wins, 9 losses and 10 points. We scraped a win against a dreadful Sheffield Wednesday team. Just over half a point a game and would’ve left us on 30 points over a season.

Every other manager (other than mark venus who was interim when Tony fell ill for 5 games) had roughly 40% win rate.

Good luck today lads but I’ve had Bristol on an Acca