Wayne Rooney

[Ganna Green]

Every manager has a moan at players when they’ve been smashed 6v1. Their attitude and lack of fight was disgusting on Tuesday and not for the first time.

That’s actually not down to him either , pride and professionalism come into that, the lads struggled to find any and no aggressive fight which Rooney had in abundance, shame he can’t get that into them when away from HP

 

[Ganna Green]

Dear fellow football fans, I’m writing to you in disbelief. The conversation topic is obvious right?

It’s the creature you guys call your current manager. Normally I would never do this and I only have an account on one forum but I cannot believe what I am seeing. Well. Actually I can, because the EXACT same thing happened to us. Let’s call it the ‘the shrek effect’.

1. Welcome Wayne!

Congratulations! Your club has hired ex-superstar and world class footballer Wayne Rooney! You’re filled with pride and are instantly excited by erm the prospect of erm success.

2. Signs of hope.

You lose your first game, but hey! The goalkeeper passed the ball to another player in the 6 yard box and almost broke the oppositions press. You’re now fully invested in Wayne ball and you’re now officially ‘Wayne Rooneys Plymouth argyle’.

3. Players aren’t good enough.

Our Wayne is a legend! These players simply can’t fathom how lucky they’re. Fans will now throw all logic out the window. These players who were previously decent footballers are now sh*t. It isn’t the tactics. It isn’t the formation. It isn’t the fact Wayne can’t be bothered to show up to training because he’s hungover. It’s the players!!!

4. Delusion.

You’ve won a game!! Unbelievable. Was it from a cutting edge move? Scintillating play?? The team working for each other? No? It wasn’t? It was a moment of luck/brilliance but hey, it must be part of Wayne’s plan. This is the turning point.

5. This is not a turning point.

You continue to lose and underperform. Even your wins and draws are against the odds. Those pesky players are at it again. Rooney is now calling out those players. They’re not trying hard enough!! because of injuries (funny how all 4 clubs he’s ‘managed’ have had an injury crisis, almost like he’s not getting the players to train hard enough and players to go enjoy themselves*wink*wink*)! Cause of the fans!!

6. Realisation for some.

Traitors among us. Turning the fans against each other. You were all celebrating together side by side when you defied the odds last season. Now you’re arguing whether a man who can barely put an erm sentence together, serial cheater, drink driving liar who is bottom of the league for every major metric for you (other than actual points), is worthy to keep his job.

7. Replacement.

Sadly it’s inevitable, he has failed. He will continue to fail. He will also go on every popular podcast with his mates and slag you off as Ian Wright points and shouts “he needs more time!!!” Despite not even knowing what a Plymouth argyle is. You’ll probably thinking “ah man like what comes next? There’s nobody out there!”. I remember this well. Then Tony Mowbray came in and within 6 games hed matched Wayne’s point total. In fact if poor Tone hadn’t fallen ill I’m almost certain we’d have added 15 points to our total, but that’s done now and we’re in a healthier position.

Wait what am I going on about? Oh yeah. Wayne is without a doubt the worst manager we’ve had in recent history. He has competition from Karanka, Steve cotterill, Harry bloody Redknapp, Zola and even Lee Clarke. I had the pleasure of meeting him in an open club day where he spoke about his tactics, formation and where he wanted the club going. He might as well have said “I want them to kick the ball into the net and then we win!”.

Right then. I’m off. Slightly bored towards the end but take these words wisely:

You will be erm relegated if he stays.

Erm do one I got bored reading you’re first line.

 

[Hargyle]

Erm do one I got bored reading you’re first line.

Absolutely … hats off to anyone who’s got the patience to read so much pitiful nonsense

 

[greenwater]

Did anyone know that Rooney was on one point more than Schumacher was after 16 games and you could argue Schumacher had a better squad at his disposal at that time.

Well there's a revelation. Thankyou. So who's for the second coming of the supposed messiah Not me cuz I'm an non believer of the past and content with the present and future

 

[greenwater]

This blaming the players tosh is getting on my nerves. He didn't say anything that was not true. He didn't name individuals. Finally, it isn't the responsibility of the coach if you pass to the opposition and it isn't the coaches fault if you don't track the runners.it isn't a coaching fault if you can't handle the intensity. It isn't a coaching fault if you can't weight your passing correctly. It isn't a coaching fault if you can't communicate on the field. It isn't a coaching fault if you can't tackle.it certainly isn't a coaching fault if you can't choose the right pass. What I see is a collection of individual mistakes or inadequacies due to a lack of quality or confidence.

Agree with what you say.

This is Rooneys quote as per the BBC:

"We need to be realistic in terms of where we're at," added Rooney.

"We know what our goal is for the season, we've got a plan and where we're at, at the minute we're on plan.

"I think we are where we should be, obviously the table doesn't lie from that point of view.

"But whether you've got a small budget or not you have to have that desire, that fight, to not concede goals as easy as we do, and I think that's a responsibility on myself to make sure I bring that out of the players, and on Tuesday that didn't happen."

 

[lyndhurst]

I have been right behind the Rooney project from the start.

I have been impressed by his commitment, his personality and his relationship with Plymouth, the supporters and the players.

BUT my support for him is being eroded match by match, Are we any better now than we were against Wednesday?

I think not. Leeds was shameful, Cardiff was a disgrace and Norwich as bad a performance as I have seen (since 1966!).

I think we are stuck with him until maybe he decides he actually isn't going to make it as a manager.

Really hope I'm wrong cos I like him and I am 100% Argyle.

Fair or not?

 

[Steve Evans]

I have been right behind the Rooney project from the start.

I have been impressed by his commitment, his personality and his relationship with Plymouth, the supporters and the players.

BUT my support for him is being eroded match by match, Are we any better now than we were against Wednesday?

I think not. Leeds was shameful, Cardiff was a disgrace and Norwich as bad a performance as I have seen (since 1966!).

I think we are stuck with him until maybe he decides he actually isn't going to make it as a manager.

Really hope I'm wrong cos I like him and I am 100% Argyle.

Fair or not?

a very fair post.i've been going argyle since the sixties as well and the norwich match was as bad as i can remember.i gave up on wayne after the cardiff surrender.

 

[The Doctor]

This blaming the players tosh is getting on my nerves. He didn't say anything that was not true. He didn't name individuals. Finally, it isn't the responsibility of the coach if you pass to the opposition and it isn't the coaches fault if you don't track the runners.it isn't a coaching fault if you can't handle the intensity. It isn't a coaching fault if you can't weight your passing correctly. It isn't a coaching fault if you can't communicate on the field. It isn't a coaching fault if you can't tackle.it certainly isn't a coaching fault if you can't choose the right pass. What I see is a collection of individual mistakes or inadequacies due to a lack of quality or confidence.

I think the quality is there... some of the time, and I think the confidence is there... some of the time. What's missing is the ability to retain that confidence and apply that quality on a consistent basis. This variability/randomness is apparent within games, between games and between groups of games.

As I noted in another thread, there is a kind of fragility about Argyle which means that small things seem to trigger big swings in the collective confidence and performance level of the team. I do think it's largely a matter of psychology. Of course, winning breeds confidence and losing, especially losing heavily erodes it so it's very difficult to grow confidence in circumstances like the current ones. Sometimes a change of manager/coach does the trick and that is certainly how I felt about things when Foster was sacked. At that time it was really the only thing that the club hierarchy could do to lift the mood. I don't think that's the case now, there is a lot more time and scope for positive action without needing to change the coaching staff. It might be a case of shaking up the training routine, or employing a psychologist to work with the players or bringing in a fresh face to the coaching team (e.g. set pieces). It might also just need a freak incident in a game - Bristol City getting a penalty early in the game on Saturday only to smash it against the crossbar and then see us break immediately to score with the ball flying into the goal of Ryan Hardie's backside etc.

(This isn't to say that everything is rosy at the moment - of course it isn't and there are countless on pitch things that could be improved.)

 

[SWTT]

I seem to recall reading that they were 9th when he was sacked. Their season imploded after he was gone, cause and effect obviously matter but they were a basket case regardless.

They were 6th when he took over and 20th 15 games later when he was sacked.

6th was likely a false position for Birmingham. Eustace had them playing pragmatically, but there were 3 points between 6th and 14th (I think) at the point in which he was sacked.

Tony Mowbray achieved 13 points from 8 games and had them looking a lot more promising. There is no doubt that had Mowbray not had to step down due to his health that they would have stayed up at our expense.

Rooney had a ppg of 0.66 at Birmingham (10pts, 15 games)
Mowbray 1.6 (13 pts, 8 games)
Rowett 1.38 (11pts, 8 games)
The caretakers 0.28 (2pts, 7 games)

They were a basket case during Rooney's tenure and with caretaker managers in charge. 1 of those through choice, due to sacking Rooney (1 game, 1 draw). The next forced due to Mowbray ill health (6 games, 1 draw).

 

[Martyn]

WR, states he wants a reaction from the players at Ashton Gate.

What we do want is a reaction from him, with a sensible team selection, and a match plan and tactics.

 

[The Doctor]

They were 6th when he took over and 20th 15 games later when he was sacked.

6th was likely a false position for Birmingham. Eustace had them playing pragmatically, but there were 3 points between 6th and 14th (I think) at the point in which he was sacked.

Tony Mowbray achieved 13 points from 8 games and had them looking a lot more promising. There is no doubt that had Mowbray not had to step down due to his health that they would have stayed up at our expense.

Rooney had a ppg of 0.66 at Birmingham (10pts, 15 games)
Mowbray 1.6 (13 pts, 8 games)
Rowett 1.38 (11pts, 8 games)
The caretakers 0.28 (2pts, 7 games)

They were a basket case during Rooney's tenure and with caretaker managers in charge. 1 of those through choice, due to sacking Rooney (1 game, 1 draw). The next forced due to Mowbray ill health (6 games, 1 draw).

The season before Rooney took over Birmingham finished 17th on 53 points (so 1.15 points per game with Eustace as manager). The season before that they were 20th with 47 points (1.02 points per game with Lee Bowyer as manager) and the one before that they were 18th with 52 point (1.13 points per game with Karanka and Bowyer as managers). So whilst Rooney didn't do very well at Birmingham he can't really be blamed for Birmingham's woes. They have been pretty rubbish for years and the players that Rooney worked with were all in place before he got there. Birmingham might have been 6th under Eustace when he was sacked but no-one can surely think that they would have finished anywhere near that position at the end of the season. They'd only played a small number of games at the start of the season when a win or two can elevate a team's league position hugely. Okay, Rooney didn't make things better and he probably made things worse (but perhaps only temporarily so - who knows?) but he's just a convenient scapegoat for Birmingham fans on who they could lump all their disappointment and shame about their team's disappointing (or at least below expectations) performances over multiple years.

 

[JannerinCardiff]

WR, states he wants a reaction from the players at Ashton Gate.

What we do want is a reaction from him, with a sensible team selection, and a match plan and tactics.

Based on the players available, what team, formation and tactics would you play.??

 

[Daz]

WR, states he wants a reaction from the players at Ashton Gate.

What we do want is a reaction from him, with a sensible team selection, and a match plan and tactics.

What’s your team then Martyn? Who would you be happy with?

 

[Daz]

Based on the players available, what team, formation and tactics would you play.??

Whoops, I just replied the same.

 

[Balham Green]

The season before Rooney took over Birmingham finished 17th on 53 points (so 1.15 points per game with Eustace as manager). The season before that they were 20th with 47 points (1.02 points per game with Lee Bowyer as manager) and the one before that they were 18th with 52 point (1.13 points per game with Karanka and Bowyer as managers). So whilst Rooney didn't do very well at Birmingham he can't really be blamed for Birmingham's woes. They have been pretty rubbish for years and the players that Rooney worked with were all in place before he got there. Birmingham might have been 6th under Eustace when he was sacked but no-one can surely think that they would have finished anywhere near that position at the end of the season. They'd only played a small number of games at the start of the season when a win or two can elevate a team's league position hugely. Okay, Rooney didn't make things better and he probably made things worse (but perhaps only temporarily so - who knows?) but he's just a convenient scapegoat for Birmingham fans on who they could lump all their disappointment and shame about their team's disappointing (or at least below expectations) performances over multiple years.

He was also expected to transform their football overnight from dour negative to expansive attacking.