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The reasons why Rooney shouldn't go?

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Don't think we can afford to pay him off.
Simon would have bwen daft not to have put a clause in Rooneys contract to allow termination without paying him off. Given Rooneys poor track record, his wealth, and general feeling he needed us more than we needed him. I feel a clause to allow contract termination with minimal compensation should have been mandated. Or maybe thats just what a sane person would do, but then a sane person never would have appointed Rooney in the first place.
 

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How many times must this be said ? Rooney brought Palsson in without any data analysis. Palsson has been the weakest link in our defence in three away hammerings - Weds, Norwich and Bristol C. He also played poorly in the Preston home game - 3 conceded. That WR - alone amongst 000s it seems - cant see that speaks volumes about his coaching ability, and especially his understanding of defensive set-ups.

For me, this alone is the reason he must go.

You have a point.

However, surely each signing has to go through the head of recruitment. And if it's not, then why?

I thought we use data analysis to identify players. You don't need anything but a pair of eyes to know Palsson & Ogbeta aren't good enough.

Rooney only has played these, apart from at Sheffield Wednesday, when we had injuries so did he bring them in because of the budget & he needed back up?

Whatever the reason, for me this isn't 'smart' transfer business which SH said we would be.
 

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It is not Rooney's fault. Simon Hallett is simply not rich enough to give him, or anyone else, the resources needed to fund a Championship Club.
Indeed, I would be very happy if Rooney agreed to invest 50 million or so of his own money in the Club to help Simon out and take a majority stake, subject to Rooney's agreement to hire an experienced Championship manager to help him run the playing side and with Coleen running the business side.
I think this (the bit I have put in bold) is right. It's not Simon Hallett's fault but even with the increased receipts from commercial activity etc we just don't have the money necessary to recruit people of sufficient quality and/or enough people of that quality - not just players, but the coaching and support staff also. We can buy one or two promising players (e.g. Mumba and Whittaker) but they are small fry compared with most other Championship clubs and we see others (e.g. Azaz) slip through our fingers. We can only recruit coaches with limited track record (I'm not only referring to Rooney here) and/or rely on our own home-grown coach (Nance) but are they actually any good? One way to think about this is: if they put themselves out into the job market would they be of interest to any of our competitors (players or coaches). I think that the answer in most cases would be no. But they do their best I am sure with the limited resources they have available. It's not really their fault. They are probably among the best that we can afford.
 
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You have a point.

However, surely each signing has to go through the head of recruitment. And if it's not, then why?

I thought we use data analysis to identify players. You don't need anything but a pair of eyes to know Palsson & Ogbeta aren't good enough.

Rooney only has played these, apart from at Sheffield Wednesday, when we had injuries so did he bring them in because of the budget & he needed back up?

Whatever the reason, for me this isn't 'smart' transfer business which SH said we would be.
Do you think that the recruitment of Rooney was "smart" business and supported by data?
 
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You have a point.

However, surely each signing has to go through the head of recruitment. And if it's not, then why?

I thought we use data analysis to identify players. You don't need anything but a pair of eyes to know Palsson & Ogbeta aren't good enough.

Rooney only has played these, apart from at Sheffield Wednesday, when we had injuries so did he bring them in because of the budget & he needed back up?

Whatever the reason, for me this isn't 'smart' transfer business which SH said we would be.

We know that not all moves originate from Head of Recruitment. Foster's tenure showed that when Devine Phillips and Gyabi followed him to Home Park. Or was that coincidence?
 

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Don't think we can afford to pay him off.

If a £45K fine is a big hit we certainly wouldn’t have enough money to pay him off and invest in the squad. I know what I’d prefer - players.
 
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Do you think that the recruitment of Rooney was "smart" business and supported by data?

You asking someone who wanted a manager like Ainsworth.

The reason being l think we need a coach who gets the best out of individuals. I think whilst l want to see us play great football, we simply don't have the budget for the types of player we need at Championship level.
 
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The recruitment team won't be the heads that roll.

Rooney has been sold a vision and plan of action that has worked for us over the last few seasons. However the squad additions have been poor at Championship level due to bargain basement purchases. The cost /value ratio is seriously skewed in this league.

Unrealistic expectations lead to managers losing their jobs regularly. Rooney needs at least another window with quality not bargain basement.

As gifted as Rooney was as a player he's no miracle worker.
 
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You asking someone who wanted a manager like Ainsworth.

The reason being l think we need a coach who gets the best out of individuals. I think whilst l want to see us play great football, we simply don't have the budget for the types of player we need at Championship level.
I will take that as a no then.
 
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Don't think we can afford to pay him off.
Invest the money to pay him off on new players and another experienced coach. Are we still paying off Foster ? Same could apply to WR if we let him go. And we’d have to pay another contract for the next manager who I think would do no better with the group we have .
 
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WR has been dealt a very poor hand, coming in after IF. Now we have injuries to key players.
Some players who wouldn't get into any other squad in the league. Some of the players need to be shipped out asap. I can deal with getting beat, but the lack of basic skills and lack of effort, doesn't do it
Some of them feel to me like they are picking up a decent wage so they’re a little bit slack and lack desire for the shirt. Maybe harsh but true IMO. Or we are being totally outclassed and if you look at both Norwich and City they had some real quality) Norwich getting another 4 today. Scott Twine etc …
 

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It’s down to poor recruitment for me , budget related to that but there are good players in the pyramid we don’t seem capable of finding .Dont like Wycombe but they are an example and top of league 1 . Keep WR , get another experienced coach to support him and save the money to sack WR on a new Midfielder player and a striker as well as another defender. Butcher looked ok for Wycombe today !
Butcher was playing Wealdstone, not Bristol City.
 
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It’s down to poor recruitment for me , budget related to that but there are good players in the pyramid we don’t seem capable of finding .Dont like Wycombe but they are an example and top of league 1 . Keep WR , get another experienced coach to support him and save the money to sack WR on a new Midfielder player and a striker as well as another defender. Butcher looked ok for Wycombe today !
Let's be honest Wycombe signed Matt Butcher they ain't doing anything in the championship if they come up.
All the teams in the least 2 seasons have struggled barring Ipswich the gap is massive
 
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You asking someone who wanted a manager like Ainsworth.

The reason being l think we need a coach who gets the best out of individuals. I think whilst l want to see us play great football, we simply don't have the budget for the types of player we need at Championship level.
Funny you should mention Ainsworth - I was dead against him at the time, after seeing The Wycombe tactics, but heard his interview on Undr The Cosh recently and really warmed to him and his ethos.