themightykeithfear":taookj05 said:So you think that trying to readdress the imbalance resulting from inequality by allocating some apprenticeships to those previously excluded is racism? That's some mental contortion.
No its not. There's an opportunity and they're excluding a race from applying, what are you not seeing there? You also seem fixated with it 'just being an apprenticeship' as if the size of opportunity being denied someone is relevant. That opportunity could be the springboard for anyone, of any race.
Whatever the intent, whatever the genuine imbalance, explicitly excluding one group while encouraging others is denying the opportunity to that one group.
Look at it this way. The age old poster boy for racist attitudes is the abhorent sign landlords used to put up. "No dogs, no Irish, no blacks".
What you are arguing is that somehow flipping it round to "just dogs, Irish and blacks" is in some way more acceptable. Well it simply isn't.
Racism is a vast historic societal mess that needs root and branch remedies. The problem with undoubtedly well intentioned initiatives such as these though is they risk simply shifting the feeling of resentment and unfairness from one group to another group... in this case the majority.
'Ah diddums' they may well say, the white majority have had all the advantages for far too long. And they'd be right in that historic assessment of course.
But you just can't go about levelling up opportunities for all by denying opportunities to some. That's the self same problem you're trying to fix.
I don't have the answer to it all but this ain't it. There's some good sense coming over, from both sides of this discussion but the square that can't be circled is you can't rebrand an illegal product and make it legal. Putting cocaine in a sherbet dib dab packet doesn't stop it being cocaine and repackaging positive discrimination as some sort of philanthropic social engineering doesn't stop it being positive discrimination.
Edit - my God the Italy Austria game must be boring... if I've found my way back to this bleddy board again :roll: