Josh Pope":2wwlhit3 said:Owen Smith who claims to be the unity candidate who’ll win over Corbynistas is really just a Blairite careerist who’s never had a real job.
crownhillpilgrim":1tngndyp said:I can't see a split happening... the party members are too gutless for that. Maybe a handful of defections to the Libs. They will just try and ride it out until 2020, after which, party members might come to their senses, but I doubt it (I've never met a socialist with much in the way of sense)
andyr1963":17grocuj said:crownhillpilgrim":17grocuj said:I can't see a split happening... the party members are too gutless for that. Maybe a handful of defections to the Libs. They will just try and ride it out until 2020, after which, party members might come to their senses, but I doubt it (I've never met a socialist with much in the way of sense)
By the "handfull of defections to the Libs" I guess you are referring to the MP's rather than the members. If not why would anyone go to the trouble of joining one party to immediately jump ship?
My guess is the membership is getting angry and want their party to move left away from the majority of Labour MP's back towards the voters left behind, back towards the ex labour scottish voters, back towards the white working class who voted "out", back towards the "them and us" of yesteryear. Because today "We are all in this together" :greensmile:
Centrist / Right / Blairite government got Labour into power but lost a huge part of the Labour membership. The tide has turned. Will the Membership move to the left actually achieve anything? I doubt it, but cannot see a viable alternative at the moment.
Frank_Butcher":gs0rbijc said:I caught the end of a Labour leadership debate on 5Live yesterday whilst travelling.
Corbyn much as you would expect and promising to spend lots of money on every problem the audience raised including all forms of education and removing tuition fees. When challenged where the money would come from, everything seemed to be sourced from corporate taxation - he'd be lucky if there's any companies left in the UK for these super educated people to work for.
Smith much more polished but came across as being Jeremy Corbyn with a more electable face. His most preposterous comment was that he thinks we should invest £60Bn more in the NHS. Whaaaat !? Where does that come from then ?
More of the 'undecideds' moved to Corbyn after the debate. Seems to be done and dusted, but this lot are a complete shambles and a risk to our democracy.
Kevin_Dacombe":2ha8lshu said:No it doesn't. It involves that radical idea of a mixed economy, Keynesian economics if you will. Changing the idea of private good, public bad in simple terms. They both have a place.