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andyr1963

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Yeah, "banana republic" is the wrong term, but I couldn't think what the right term would be. Point I was trying to make was.
What do we look like to the outside world with our current political turmoil?

It would be nice to think that we are a great example of "democracy in action" but somehow I doubt that. :greensmile:
 
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Yeah - we vote for Brexit, so by way of celebration the Brexit leadership quits. And the pro-Stay PM accidentally led a superb campaign for the Leave party, so also quits. The Tory party leadership challenge decays into two housewives swinging handbags at each other about whether being a mummy makes you a better politician, while the Labour Party hates their leader as much as the grass-roots support him. And in an attempt to remove him from power the Labour MP's try to mount a leadership challenge while, at the same time, try to prevent their leader from defending himself against the aforementioned challenge.

For once Italian politics looks somewhat normal compared to ours.
 
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Angela Eagles after two weeks of saying she will mount a challenge, keeps her word and calls a press conference to officially launch her challenge, only to watch all the leading members of the press run out the room to report on a far more important story, the quitting of the last remaining Tory challenger to Theresa May.
You couldn't make it up. Gutting for the Labour Party in general really. Looking even more inconsequential. :sigh:
 

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A split must be inevitable now. If Corbyn isn't on the ballot paper there will be a Union led rebelllion. If Corbyn is - and wins - the disaffected can't possibly stand by him.
 
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I think some of the moderate Labour party would not mind a split as long as they kept the Labour name. I have seen a few who have said that momentum should set up their own party. On the Daily Politics show today Chuka Umunna treated alot of the new labour members with total contempt. Not sure how this is going to work out but it is not good for anyone.
 
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Keyham Pilgrim":10u7gd7j said:
I think some of the moderate Labour party would not mind a split as long as they kept the Labour name. I have seen a few who have said that momentum should set up their own party. On the Daily Politics show today Chuka Umunna treated alot of the new labour members with total contempt. Not sure how this is going to work out but it is not good for anyone.

If there is to be a split, who should keep the name. The MP's or the Membership?
 
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andyr1963":20lwd1xr said:
Yeah, "banana republic" is the wrong term, but I couldn't think what the right term would be. Point I was trying to make was.
What do we look like to the outside world with our current political turmoil?

It would be nice to think that we are a great example of "democracy in action" but somehow I doubt that. :greensmile:

I bet the people of Venezuela wouldn't mind our kind of 'turmoil' at the moment, ore even the people of the US, with their impending Presidential election between 2 of the most loathsome, self-serving public figures imaginable.
 
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Out of the frying pan into the fire...a few snippets about Eagles,she supported the Iraq war,she voted against every effort to investigate it.
Voted for the bombing of Syria.
Voted for the introduction of tuition fees and the raising of them to £3000.00,and abstained on the welfare cuts.
Does that make her a Blairite?
Apparently she is of the soft left whatever that is.
 

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andyr1963":hs3t72k9 said:
Keyham Pilgrim":hs3t72k9 said:
I think some of the moderate Labour party would not mind a split as long as they kept the Labour name. I have seen a few who have said that momentum should set up their own party. On the Daily Politics show today Chuka Umunna treated alot of the new labour members with total contempt. Not sure how this is going to work out but it is not good for anyone.

If there is to be a split, who should keep the name. The MP's or the Membership?


New Labour reborn?

Not sure if Jezza would like 'Old Labour' tho'. Dinosaurcialism? :think:
 

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Corbyn gets his name on the ballot paper. Right decision in my opinion - if there's a challenger, then the person they're challenging must have a right to stand.
 

Frank Butcher

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I can't see anything but a split - I'd expect Corbyn to be favourite for re-election by the members and a high majority of the PLP are disaffected.

The reports tonight by Newsnight on what's been happening on Merseyside were very depressing. Like a throwback to the 80's, the dark side of Labour that many won't even remember/ be aware of.

I'm no Labour fan but this is all very bad for UK politics.
 
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Very depressing indeed. Labour Party has just put its membership prices up, so it's now more expensive to join than the Tories. So much for being a party of the people. And Angela Eagle's campaign logo looks like some awful B&M perfume for the woman in your life you stopped loving twenty years ago. It's embarrassing. I'm hoping for some enthusiastic, charismatic leader to put his / her name on the ballot paper at the last minute, but I don't think the PLP has any of those.

I can't see the Tories being kicked out in my lifetime. For the first time in my life I've actually considered turning Tory.
 
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I can't see a split happening... the party members are too gutless for that. Maybe a handful of defections to the Libs. They will just try and ride it out until 2020, after which, party members might come to their senses, but I doubt it (I've never met a socialist with much in the way of sense)
 

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PLP = 230
Members = 503,000ish?

I'm neither. I'm a supporter, a follower, a (lifelong) voter, a working class oik who would rather not see minted old Etonians running my country stirring us oiks up with their sharpened silver spoons.

So it is ME that you need not the 503,230ish mentioned above !!

You need ME and many more to the right of me, beyond the centre into the left wing of the Tory block.

Fine: have 'real' Socialism, have demonstrations, break windows, smile a satisfied smile in the pub with your pint of Lenin's Old Socks Special Bitter but ... you haven't got ME or the likes of me
and without 'us' you'll never be in power again.


Pay your £25 and make your choice Comrades, Good Luck with that! :facepalm: