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Jack Leslie Square - latest

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For those of you interested in this ongoing saga, the Magistrates Court met on Friday and decided to go to a full hearing in relation to the last-standing objection to the re-naming of that square after one of our legends.

It set the date for the hearing as November 13th, the parameters as being about whether the council followed due process in the re-naming procedure and whether its approach could be deemed "racist", and suggested that the hearing would take about three hours. It also warned the objector that he could be liable for the council's considerable costs should he lose.

We move on, perhaps with the thought in our minds that Jack would have been very happy about Luke's wonderful goal-poach on Saturday and would feel that Argyle's goal-scoring department was in a good place!

COYG
 
Jul 6, 2011
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Renaming a square because of a politically motivated organisation with Marxist_anarchist intentions is totally ridiculous. If we want to remember Jack Lesley, put up a statue at Home park or rename a stand after him, but don't try and wipe wash our history for the sake of people like lewis hamilton who frankly doesn't even represent the views of the black people I am close to.
 
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Vampires11":1pty5fii said:

Yeah, let’s dig a little bit deeper here. Who created this article? These guys:
The Heritage Foundation (abbreviated to Heritage) is an American conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C. promoting public policy research and analysis based on free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional values, and a strong national defense.

Now, I wonder why a bunch of American conservatives would want to criticise an ethnic minority movement......
 
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Bernie Bernbaum":1047czxf said:
Marxist anarchist? What utter garbage and it would help if you spelt Jack's name correctly.
Yes. Name spelt correctly or not, he means 'Marxist Anarchist'. Your avatar tells us all we need to know. There is no place in society for political correctness (And Marxism); just as there isn't ...racism. There should still
be a John Hawkins Square with a revised plaque, and there should be a statue at Home park to Jack...and there will be, and that is fantastic!
 
Sep 8, 2011
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Plenty of room in the museum for the history of Hawkins. If it had been called Hawkins Square for hundreds of years I might even defend keeping the name. But it hasn't. So it needs renaming.
 
Jan 27, 2012
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Jack Leslie sounds like a great footballer for Argyle.

However, the re-naming of the square is a political matter rather than a football matter. And as a result it is bound to be controversial and divisive.

Leslie deserves better than this. If the intention is to honour him then why not name a new road after him alongside other Argyle legends of yesteryear ? That way everyone stays happy.
 
Feb 21, 2011
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briangreen":1hy7c6mf said:
Renaming a square because of a politically motivated organisation with Marxist_anarchist intentions is totally ridiculous. If we want to remember Jack Lesley, put up a statue at Home park or rename a stand after him, but don't try and wipe wash our history for the sake of people like lewis hamilton who frankly doesn't even represent the views of the black people I am close to.
BLM is a movement not an organisation, just because a few people describe themselves as Marxist/Anarchists (not really sure that's a thing) doesn't take away from the aim of the movement as a whole, as an aside research Marxism for yourself and tell me its such a bad thing for the average man and woman.
 
Jul 6, 2011
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BadBoy":7vhfsk19 said:
briangreen":7vhfsk19 said:
Renaming a square because of a politically motivated organisation with Marxist_anarchist intentions is totally ridiculous. If we want to remember Jack Lesley, put up a statue at Home park or rename a stand after him, but don't try and wipe wash our history for the sake of people like lewis hamilton who frankly doesn't even represent the views of the black people I am close to.
BLM is a movement not an organisation, just because a few people describe themselves as Marxist/Anarchists (not really sure that's a thing) doesn't take away from the aim of the movement as a whole, as an aside research Marxism for yourself and tell me its such a bad thing for the average man and woman.

Predictive text caused the change to Leslie's name, but no problem, I rarely take offence. Marxism comes in mostly because of the clenched fist symbol which has its roots in the South African communist party now called the ANC. Anarchism should be obvious with all the arson, looting, murder and violence going on in the name of BLM, especially in the US.
Btw if Marxism is so great how come people from Marxist countries are desperate to get away from Marxism?
 
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briangreen":hosibi9i said:
BadBoy":hosibi9i said:
briangreen":hosibi9i said:
Renaming a square because of a politically motivated organisation with Marxist_anarchist intentions is totally ridiculous. If we want to remember Jack Lesley, put up a statue at Home park or rename a stand after him, but don't try and wipe wash our history for the sake of people like lewis hamilton who frankly doesn't even represent the views of the black people I am close to.
BLM is a movement not an organisation, just because a few people describe themselves as Marxist/Anarchists (not really sure that's a thing) doesn't take away from the aim of the movement as a whole, as an aside research Marxism for yourself and tell me its such a bad thing for the average man and woman.

Predictive text caused the change to Leslie's name, but no problem, I rarely take offence. Marxism comes in mostly because of the clenched fist symbol which has its roots in the South African communist party now called the ANC. Anarchism should be obvious with all the arson, looting, murder and violence going on in the name of BLM, especially in the US.
Btw if Marxism is so great how come people from Marxist countries are desperate to get away from Marxism?

Show me one country where Marxism has been implemented properly and not been interfered with by the USA. By your measure the poll tax riots and other such protests are anarchy, I in no way condone arson looting and murder but isn't murder why we ended up here in the first place.
 
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BLM is a movement not an organisation.

I was under the impression it is an organisation?
 
Jan 27, 2012
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I'd say they are an organisation. This is the official BLM Twitter account for the UK.

https://twitter.com/ukblm

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.

Personally I prefer to keep politics out of sport- and particularly Argyle.
 
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gaspargomez":3ef544en said:
I'd say they are an organisation. This is the official BLM Twitter account for the UK.

https://twitter.com/ukblm

https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.

Personally I prefer to keep politics out of sport- and particularly Argyle.
Since when did a twitter account make something an organisation..... You can open one of them in 5 minuets.
Black Lives Matter is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people, according to wiki.....
 
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To try and get things back on track here, the reason for my original post was to inform those who supported my original suggestion earlier in the year that the already un-named square be named after OUR legend. It looked like an opportunity to get more recognition of the good things our club does in the centre of the city. It received strong support on here. We raised a petition that got lots of support, we wrote to the council leader and local councillors about the idea. The council agreed to the suggestion and went through the process of enacting it. Democratic process requires a certain procedure be followed and that now is at a particular point in its process. I was just informing the Pasoti population where that had got to. There is nothing political in this or any of my actions in relation to it - they are strictly personal and family-related, and reflect over a century of my family supporting our team in a wide range of ways and a friendship between my grandfather (a founding member of the Plymouth Argyle Supporters Club) and the legend that was Jack Leslie.

COYG