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What would it say about Argyle if a player we were about to offer a long term contract seriously injured themselves - while giving their all for our club - and so we just cut them loose?

Not only would that be abhorrent from a moral perspective, word would undoubtedly get around about the kind of club we are, hindering our efforts to sign players in future.

The contract offer Lowe is talking about is clearly intended to support Galloway to pay bills, keep a roof over his head and support his family if he has one at least for the initial period of his recovery. It’s money that could be spent elsewhere but won’t be a make or break sum for Argyle.

It would be absolutely appalling if we did not do this.
 
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What would it say about Argyle if a player we were about to offer a long term contract seriously injured themselves - while giving their all for our club - and so we just cut them loose?

Not only would that be abhorrent from a moral perspective, word would undoubtedly get around about the kind of club we are, hindering our efforts to sign players in future.

The contract offer Lowe is talking about is clearly intended to support Galloway to pay bills, keep a roof over his head and support his family if he has one at least for the initial period of his recovery. It’s money that could be spent elsewhere but won’t be a make or break sum for Argyle.

It would be absolutely appalling if we did not do this.
I’d hardly say it is ‘abhorrent’? It’s a business decision at a football club.
What was the point in giving him a short term contract if not for this situation?
There was never any doubt on his quality or pedigree, but a big question mark on his tendency to stay consistently on the pitch and off the treatment table.
Using words like abhorrent makes it sound like he has given his whole life to Argyle, like he is Kevin Hodges or Paul Wotton. The reality is he is a newbie who has been here since the summer and is probably living in a short term rented flat.
People are using the 6-8 week estimate as gospel now.
Fingers crossed on that, but this is an injury prone player who has been dealt injury after injury most of his career.
How long was George Cooper forecasted to be out for, and why was that estimate nowhere near accurate?
As someone else has said, I’m not sure how forgiving sports insurance companies are for giving contracts to players with an injury they have to declare, a player with a history of injuries no doubt. They might laugh if Argyle try to claim compensation on that.
Offering an injured player a good deal could be considered the decent thing to do, but it could at the end of the season be considered a silly sentimental mistake which cost us promotion if Galloway struggles to get himself back on the pitch.
 
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We don't know if Galloway and his agent were in talks with other clubs ready to sign in January when his contract at Argyle ended, so hopefully Lowe's offer of an extended contract despite the injury will reassure Galloway to stay.

Besides, he would have been missing for three to five weeks in January/February at the African Cup of Nations anyway so Lowe woukd have had a plan to deal with his absence.
 
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I’d hardly say it is ‘abhorrent’? It’s a business decision at a football club.
What was the point in giving him a short term contract if not for this situation?
There was never any doubt on his quality or pedigree, but a big question mark on his tendency to stay consistently on the pitch and off the treatment table.
Using words like abhorrent makes it sound like he has given his whole life to Argyle, like he is Kevin Hodges or Paul Wotton. The reality is he is a newbie who has been here since the summer and is probably living in a short term rented flat.
People are using the 6-8 week estimate as gospel now.
Fingers crossed on that, but this is an injury prone player who has been dealt injury after injury most of his career.
How long was George Cooper forecasted to be out for, and why was that estimate nowhere near accurate?
As someone else has said, I’m not sure how forgiving sports insurance companies are for giving contracts to players with an injury they have to declare, a player with a history of injuries no doubt. They might laugh if Argyle try to claim compensation on that.
Offering an injured player a good deal could be considered the decent thing to do, but it could at the end of the season be considered a silly sentimental mistake which cost us promotion if Galloway struggles to get himself back on the pitch.


The club has substantial cash reserves and could dip into them independently of this season's budget, so there's no way it could 'cost us promotion.'

In any case, the cost of extending his contract by 6-12 months is going to be absolutely trifling in the context of a multi-million pound business like Argyle. Over the course of the season the club will experience multiple unbudgeted losses and windfalls of a similar size - in the past few weeks alone we've had three televised fixtures announced, FA Cup prize money and an extra home game with 11,000 paying punters.

There are clearly means to offer him something, and a clear duty of care to someone who in addition to professional/financial uncertainty is likely to be feeling extremely low at them moment. Thankfully, Lowe's comments (which i can't imagine he'd have made without some discussion with Andrew Parkinson, David Ray or Simon Hallett) suggest we are going to do the right thing.
 
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If, buts and maybe’s.

One things for sure, the club will make the right decision based on all the details that have to hand.
 
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I’d hardly say it is ‘abhorrent’? It’s a business decision at a football club.
What was the point in giving him a short term contract if not for this situation?
There was never any doubt on his quality or pedigree, but a big question mark on his tendency to stay consistently on the pitch and off the treatment table.
Using words like abhorrent makes it sound like he has given his whole life to Argyle, like he is Kevin Hodges or Paul Wotton. The reality is he is a newbie who has been here since the summer and is probably living in a short term rented flat.
People are using the 6-8 week estimate as gospel now.
Fingers crossed on that, but this is an injury prone player who has been dealt injury after injury most of his career.
How long was George Cooper forecasted to be out for, and why was that estimate nowhere near accurate?
As someone else has said, I’m not sure how forgiving sports insurance companies are for giving contracts to players with an injury they have to declare, a player with a history of injuries no doubt. They might laugh if Argyle try to claim compensation on that.
Offering an injured player a good deal could be considered the decent thing to do, but it could at the end of the season be considered a silly sentimental mistake which cost us promotion if Galloway struggles to get himself back on the pitch.
A little OTT there I think ?
 
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Argyle are very short on central defenders- as mentioned by some at the beginning of the season.
Against Wigan, there will be a 17- year old youth player on the bench as the only recognised centre back. It sounds like Scarr was one yellow card away from being suspended, so it shows the fragility of the squad.

I know Bolton is coming back, but its going to take a while for him to get up to match speed. In my view, Argyle need TWO new centre backs brought into the club in January. That would mean 6 players competing for 3 spaces- although, in practice, its unlikely that they would all be fit and available at the same time.
 
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League One and Two Clubs will receive an additional £20m from the Premier League this season as a result of the US TV deal with NBC. That means at least £416,000 if it was equally shared between the divisions and potentially more if not. That will help.
 
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The club has substantial cash reserves and could dip into them independently of this season's budget, so there's no way it could 'cost us promotion.'

In any case, the cost of extending his contract by 6-12 months is going to be absolutely trifling in the context of a multi-million pound business like Argyle. Over the course of the season the club will experience multiple unbudgeted losses and windfalls of a similar size - in the past few weeks alone we've had three televised fixtures announced, FA Cup prize money and an extra home game with 11,000 paying punters.

There are clearly means to offer him something, and a clear duty of care to someone who in addition to professional/financial uncertainty is likely to be feeling extremely low at them moment. Thankfully, Lowe's comments (which i can't imagine he'd have made without some discussion with Andrew Parkinson, David Ray or Simon Hallett) suggest we are going to do the right thing.
These reserves will not be used to go towards the playing budget, as remarked by Simon Hallett. They will be held in abeyance for future maintenance and ongoing ground improvements and any unexpected future capital expenditure, etc.

Ignore the cash reserves, it will not be spent to enhance the playing budget, the manager has to cope with what he has (and he is in agreement to the amount that he has been given).
 
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A little OTT there I think ?
Possibly, but James Bolton was meant to be close to fitness when we signed him, and he hasn’t even made a training session so far.
We had 4 good CBs without Bolton but now Galloway is injured we are down to 3.
The defensive situation is pretty fragile.
Are these 3 CBs gonna finish the rest of the season and have no more injuries or suspensions between them, or do we go out and find another competent central defender at this level?
If we have to go and find another one, do we have enough budget to keep Galloway on for sentimental reasons, because we have ‘a moral obligation’?
If we offer Galloway a contract and he isn’t back within 6-8 weeks, it is a pretty big problem given our season objectives.
Plenty for Lowe to chew over.
 
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Possibly, but James Bolton was meant to be close to fitness when we signed him, and he hasn’t even made a training session so far.
We had 4 good CBs without Bolton but now Galloway is injured we are down to 3.
The defensive situation is pretty fragile.
Are these 3 CBs gonna finish the rest of the season and have no more injuries or suspensions between them, or do we go out and find another competent central defender at this level?
If we have to go and find another one, do we have enough budget to keep Galloway on for sentimental reasons, because we have ‘a moral obligation’?
If we offer Galloway a contract and he isn’t back within 6-8 weeks, it is a pretty big problem given our season objectives.
Plenty for Lowe to chew over.
What are our season's objectives?
 
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These reserves will not be used to go towards the playing budget, as remarked by Simon Hallett. They will be held in abeyance for future maintenance and ongoing ground improvements and any unexpected future capital expenditure, etc.

Ignore the cash reserves, it will not be spent to enhance the playing budget, the manager has to cope with what he has (and he is in agreement to the amount that he has been given).

my point was that the money used to do the right thing by Galloway won’t affect our transfer activity.

re: the playing budget the clue is in the name. If he’s seriously injured he won’t be doing much playing and we’ll fund a contract extension from a separate pot.

(incidentally you’re wrong about the cash reserves. Argyle are still losing money on day to day expenditure and Simon Hallett isn’t going to put any more in, so without an increase in our income the reserves will be slowly eroded to support our running costs)