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What a brilliant race that was. Incredible.

Piastri is going to win many, many championships.
He is, yesterday was a very impressive drive.

Lando managed to gain points on Max which was a long shot after quali. Singapore this weekend, Red Bull were dreadful there last year with the most dominant car in F1 history, who knows where they'll be this weekend!
 
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He is, yesterday was a very impressive drive.

Lando managed to gain points on Max which was a long shot after quali. Singapore this weekend, Red Bull were dreadful there last year with the most dominant car in F1 history, who knows where they'll be this weekend!

I'm so excited about next season. Could we have a ridiculous five-team title battle, with a rejuvenated Mercedes and Newey-powered Aston Martin joining the fray? Probably not but it's going to be fun whatever happens.

It will be absolutely fascinating to see what becomes of Red Bull and Verstappen. I wonder if Max might end up in George Russell's seat in 2026.
 
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I'm so excited about next season. Could we have a ridiculous five-team title battle, with a rejuvenated Mercedes and Newey-powered Aston Martin joining the fray? Probably not but it's going to be fun whatever happens.

It will be absolutely fascinating to see what becomes of Red Bull and Verstappen. I wonder if Max might end up in George Russell's seat in 2026.
I think next year is too soon for Aston for the title but they could be looking at wins by the end of the year - Newey doesn't start until early March.

As it stands apart from Red Bull, every team has a really intriguing driver line up next year. Next season could be an all time great season!
 
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I'm so excited about next season. Could we have a ridiculous five-team title battle, with a rejuvenated Mercedes and Newey-powered Aston Martin joining the fray? Probably not but it's going to be fun whatever happens.

I've just been looking through each championship since 1980 (generally regarded at the start of the modern F1 era, with the 70s being the transition from the "golden days", but mainly because I couldn't be ar$ed to go back further :D) The last properly close season involving 5 teams would have been 1981 when Williams-Ford won 4, Ferrari won 3 races as did Brabham-Ford and Renault, and Talbot Ligier-Matra won 2 ... and that was over a 15-race season.

1984 seems to be the water-shed mark, where one or two teams start to dominate the sport for periods of time with the all-conquering McLaren-TAG which won 12 races, and then on the big teams pushed the privateers out (although the likes of Eddie Jordan tried to muscle in on occasion). Interestingly (to stat nerds like me), this current season is the first time since 1987 when more than three teams have won 2 or more races in a season: usually one or two teams dominate, and a third (usually Ferrari when they weren't in their dominant period 20 years ago) would pick up a handful more, with one of the smaller teams (at that time) picking up a lucky win. But this season: 7 for Red Bull, 4 for McLaren, and 3 each for Mercedes and Ferrari. Fingers crossed it will be even closer next season: a part of me doubts it, looking at the trends in the sport, but I can hope.
 
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It could be the best in the last 20-odd years (and, to be fair, that's not hard given the dominance of a handful of teams over recent years), but all-time ... that's pushing it a bit, methinks!
If there are 4 teams and 7/8 drivers competing for wins every weekend then it won't be far off one I'd say.
 
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Dominant from Lando yesterday and more damage limitation from Max. The gap is closing, is it quick enough though? Lando needs others to get between him and Max ASAP.

Looks like the end of the line for Danny Ric, I'm still not sure why he's the one on the chopping board and not Perez, I think Checo has scored something like 40 points in the last 12 races.

4 week break now before 2 triple headers to end the season!
 
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Dominant from Lando yesterday and more damage limitation from Max. The gap is closing, is it quick enough though? Lando needs others to get between him and Max ASAP.

Looks like the end of the line for Danny Ric, I'm still not sure why he's the one on the chopping board and not Perez, I think Checo has scored something like 40 points in the last 12 races.

4 week break now before 2 triple headers to end the season!

It's really sad the way Ricciardo's career has petered out. He was an elite-level driver until he left Renault and he got closer to Verstappen than anyone else ever did as a team-mate.

I hope he won't be lost to F1 entirely. Part of me suspects he might go back home and race Holdens around Bathurst, I'm sure he'd be happier doing that than tugging around at the back in a glorified Minardi.
 
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F1 is back this weekend, start of a triple header! 6 races left with 3 sprints in there too. So 2 questions.....

Who wins the drivers? Max or Lando?
Whats your top 3 in the constructors? Its between McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari.

I'm going for Lando to nick the drivers at the last race and for McLaren to win the constructors with a race to spare, Ferrari 2nd and Red Bull 3rd.
 
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So, is Max Verstappen the Wycombe Wanderers of F1, master of the dark arts?

He knows that a blind eye is turned for first corner incidents so brakes too late to make the corner and runs Norris off the track, being aware that it would be overlooked. First lap incidents are overlooked as thereā€™s usually too many cars in on part of the track to apportion blame, yet Max exploits that by doing things that are penalised during the rest of the race.

The Norris penalty, Max also knows that being in front at the apex means that itā€™s ā€™his cornerā€™ so even though heā€™s behind during braking and turn in, he lets the brake off to hit the apex first even though it means that heā€™s not going to keep the car on the track. He has form for this, Brazil 21 missed the corner completely and run Lewis off the track while being unable to stay on the track himself, got away with that one too.

The stewards have black and white rules about where cars position at the apex etc, but they really need to look at the full incident from corner entry to corner exit on an individual basis. For example, Russel getting a penalty was undeserved as anyone could see that he overtook cleanly and the Sauber was fighting a losing battle trying to hang it around the outside. Same with Norris, it was a desperate attempt by Max to run him off the road.
 
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So, is Max Verstappen the Wycombe Wanderers of F1, master of the dark arts?

He knows that a blind eye is turned for first corner incidents so brakes too late to make the corner and runs Norris off the track, being aware that it would be overlooked. First lap incidents are overlooked as thereā€™s usually too many cars in on part of the track to apportion blame, yet Max exploits that by doing things that are penalised during the rest of the race.

The Norris penalty, Max also knows that being in front at the apex means that itā€™s ā€™his cornerā€™ so even though heā€™s behind during braking and turn in, he lets the brake off to hit the apex first even though it means that heā€™s not going to keep the car on the track. He has form for this, Brazil 21 missed the corner completely and run Lewis off the track while being unable to stay on the track himself, got away with that one too.

The stewards have black and white rules about where cars position at the apex etc, but they really need to look at the full incident from corner entry to corner exit on an individual basis. For example, Russel getting a penalty was undeserved as anyone could see that he overtook cleanly and the Sauber was fighting a losing battle trying to hang it around the outside. Same with Norris, it was a desperate attempt by Max to run him off the road.
The Wycombe Wanderers of F1 might be the perfect way to put it!

Lando was clearly ahead at the normal braking zone, even the 'late' braking zone. The only reason that Max was ahead at the Apex was that Max let his brakes off to run Lando wide, just like Max stopped turning at the 1st corner to run Lando off.

Yes McLaren probably should have told Lando to let him through but also if the stewards had made their mind up before the last lap then he might have pulled the 5 seconds anyway. Is the rule now set then that you don't have to make the corner to defend your position? Just run the other car off and the job is done!

This weekend seems pretty terminal for the championship, its now 57 points with 5 races to go, Lando is going to need a DNF from Max in the last 5 to make it happen.

On another note, how good was Liam Lawson? From p19 to p9 whilst Perez who started 9th was beaten by Russell who started from the pitlane. I bet that got Red Bulls attention. Also, Alpine pitted Ocon at the end to take the fastest lap point off Colapinto/Williams - such a pointless rule, glad thats going from next year!
 

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Screenshot_20241021_190931_Facebook.jpegHmmm interesting. Paragraph 3 says that a 5s penalty was applied rather than the prescribed 10s for that offence, implying that Max forced Lando off the road (edited to add that by not counting this as a track limits violation for Lando also backs up that he was forced off track). At Hungary Max divebombed Lewis and no penalty was given as neither driver was predominantly at fault, therefore the same should have been applied here.
 
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