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Exeter's academy does it again (Randall transfer)

May 16, 2016
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Exeters success at Academy level is to be applauded, but the fact they're rarely out of the bottom division suggests that they rely on it just to survive long enough to tread water.

Should another Academy start being the preferred choice of potential starlets, they could well be in a difficult position.
 

IJN

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That IS there policy though isn't it.

They surely realise that they would never survive on their laughable gates, so they made the decision quite a few years ago and up until now it's been a success.

The danger was though, and it appears to be the case now, is that IF PAFC got their act together, Exeter would surely struggle with continuance of grabbing all the 'wee gems'.

We'll have to wait and see, but I would imagine Argyle are causing concern on this front.

I also see they appointed three directors onto their board yesterday, so something seems to be changing.
 
For a club of Exeter’s size, yo-yoing from leagues 2 to 1 whilst being financed through an excellent academy scheme and fan ownership is surely the best model. Comparable to Crewe. Never understood the rivalry when they are literally not in our league, but then I’m a newcomer.
 
Aug 5, 2016
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Exeter have been unlucky lately. They are always in and around the playoff chase, if not automatics.

The thing is what do they ever do with their money?

They have decent-ish gates for League Two, but sell players for £1m - £2m a piece and don't ever seem to go anywhere.

Where does the money go?
 

The Doctor

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Sep 15, 2003
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What is it that the Exeter Academy does/has (or did/had) that the Argyle one doesn't (or didn't) that has made them more successful?
 

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I believe that, if our strategy was the same as Exeter’s, Mike Cooper would no longer be at PAFC. I expect there will also be some interest in Adam Randell before too long but I do hope that we can hang on to our Academy products so that, if they eventually move on, it will be for very substantial fees and add ons.
Hopefully, there are now more in the pipeline with similar potential.
Good luck to Exeter City with their strategy.
 
Aug 5, 2016
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I believe that, if our strategy was the same as Exeter’s, Mike Cooper would no longer be at PAFC. I expect there will also be some interest in Adam Randell before too long but I do hope that we can hang on to our Academy products so that, if they eventually move on, it will be for very substantial fees and add ons.
Hopefully, there are now more in the pipeline with similar potential.
Good luck to Exeter City with their strategy.
I wonder how much interest there was in Jephcott last January, and how much Argyle turned down to keep him?
 
Aug 5, 2015
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Personally I think academy success is cyclical. We’ve produced players in the past and it looks like we’ll do so in the future. For now it’s their turn and they don’t seem to have made much of their “success”
 

The Doctor

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They were (not sure if still are) at a higher level in the academy ranking. Same sort of thing as coach ranking.
Yes, but specifically what is different? Facilities, number/quality of coaches, games played etc. Or is it simply that because they are categorised at a higher level better players/parents pick them?
 
May 8, 2011
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Yes, but specifically what is different? Facilities, number/quality of coaches, games played etc. Or is it simply that because they are categorised at a higher level better players/parents pick them?
Finance was a big difference.
The Argyle Academy had started to produce a steady stream of potential first team players and then administration happened, not only was there a fire sale of those players but spending on the Academy also reduced with all the implications from that in terms of staffing and investment. At the same time Exeter had started to invest heavily in their Academy.
11 years later with increased investment each year as the Club could afford to the first crop of post administration youngsters are coming through the system and the Argyle Academy is getting back to its position prior to administration.
The Club had begun to develop a clear development pathway for the youth players some public such as first joining the SWPL, then the Central League and PL Cup, recognising rising stars by offering them contracts early like Mike Cooper.
Finally even the Exeter Academy misses players, as we have Exeter born and raised Mike Cooper who joined at 9 years old.
 
Jan 12, 2011
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Players Exeter have sold over the last 2,3,4 years, would of been 9 years old 10,11,12 years ago, at the time of Argyles administration. it takes time to make a 9 year old into a 19 year old sellable asset..... um 10 years.... Exeter were the only only choice at that time. I would expect a levelling out over the next few years (evidenced by the crop of youngsters now starting to come through at argyle).
Mike Cooper as an example would of been one of the first youngsters to be picked up post administration, and we were still struggling financially at that time.
 
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Yes, but specifically what is different? Facilities, number/quality of coaches, games played etc. Or is it simply that because they are categorised at a higher level better players/parents pick them?
On the basis of a quick google, they're not and haven't ever been a higher ranked academy than Argyle. We're both category 3, and hence play in the same league.

Doesn't preclude variations within the same category, but suggests that in terms of the key elements - staff, qualifications, facilities, level of competition - there isn't a major difference.

I'm sure that administration has played a part in our underperformance, but equally it does sound like something people from inside the club would say to defend their record. A good youth system is essentially about identifying, recruiting and then developing the best players and I struggle to believe that Exeter would have had greatly superior resources in any of these respects.