andyr1963":dgj90a2r said:Come decision time, when (not if) he has made himself to look a complete political fool, then his support will collapse totally.
Told you so. :greensmile:
That’s a stonking good point Ade. If Trump was, say, an Egyptian Muslim leader campaigning to be elected their next President & calling for a ban on all Christians & Jews from entering the country and talking about building a massive wall with Israel - he’d be (quite rightly) the number one bogey-man hate figure for the US and the West. You can bet your life our secret services would be tracking every move he made, surreptitious efforts would be made to isolate & undermine him and every effort made to bolster support for the current regime (even if it meant turning a blind eye to their appalling human rights record). Perspective is everything.Ade the green":2zoijm57 said:If he was in Arabic robes and speaking a language we didn't understand we'd be calling him a hate preacher.
Ave_IT":2bczlhe2 said:The thing to realise is that America is a massive place and it is utterly divided – culturally, ethnically and politically. It is a place of startling disparities.
There is the mostly urban America of the east & west coasts with it’s very liberal, outward-looking attitudes, fabulous universities, world-beating technologies, music, movies, artists etc...... this is the US we tend to see most of being wealthy & successful. Solid Democrat territory – although as Bernie Sanders showed a significant number want a more radical alternative.
But then there are the large hinterlands of the mid-west & deep south – deeply conservative on social issues, very religious and with a powerful sense of traditional identity, of family & history. They despise the liberals and feel very threatened – there is ‘old money’ here but their numbers and influence is steadily dwindling and they know it. These God-and-guns ‘tea party’ stalwarts that have virtually hijacked the Republican party.
Then there are the Hispanics & other immigrants whose numbers and confidence are growing and their influence is increasingly being felt. Traditionally they don’t vote much – but that is changing - they mostly favour Democrats although without much enthusiasm and largely because of the Republicans’ image problem.
Then there’s the ‘rust-belt’ & lower-middle/ working poor. These are the real swing voters who don’t really identify with the above - the truck drivers, cabbies, factory workers etc. These are the group that Trump has targeted – appealing to their fears and playing on the distrust of the establishment.
The neo-Con Republicans don’t like Trump and would much prefer one of their own; but their hatred of the liberals is so intense & so bitter that they have held their noses & gambled that Trump can deliver enough of that swing group to stop what they consider is an assault on their way of life. You cannot over-emphasise just how much they HATE Clinton, HATE Obama, HATE the Liberal elite. Can you believe that one candidate actually calling for the other to be "locked up" ?
We thought the EU referendum revealed divisions in this country – but believe me it is several orders of magnitude greater across the pond. When Trump loses – and barring a massive scandal about Hilary (which is admittedly quite feasible) then I’m quite sure he will simply because the numbers are against him – then there are real dangers those divisions in the US will really boil over.
Ade the green":2bt66b07 said:I read somewhere yesterday about the $billions he is in debt and can only come to the conclusion that he's no businessman but a shyster. Living off reputation and other people's money. Apparently when someone is elected President they have traditionally to sell off their shares in any businesses they have and the money is invested in shadow accounts that the president is unaware of. Signs are that Trump will not follow this tradition as 1) it would mean the extent of his failure is out in the open and 2) he's hoping that as president he can use his influence to increase his portfolio.
"Ask not what you can do for your country but ask what your country can do for you".