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Come decision time, when (not if) he has made himself to look a complete political fool, then his support will collapse totally.

Told you so. :greensmile:


WHAT? :shock:


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Trump is a worry. He appears to be the complete opposite of everything that you would want as a politician let alone the leader of a world power. A man of division.
 

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andyr1963":2vk52pjq said:
andyr1963":2vk52pjq said:
Come decision time, when (not if) he has made himself to look a complete political fool, then his support will collapse totally.

Told you so.


WHAT? :shock:


:coat:

Here is my take on it in Feb this year:

I'll trump your Trump dangerous and Trump bonkers with Trump unelectable!!

The deeper he gets into it, the more 'ooohs' 'aaahs' gasps and boos I hear when he makes his learned comments. Most people like to pique a little interest in life whether it be sport, politics or reality tv. The Presidential campaign is a really long winded process and would be totally boring if 'serious' all the way through. As it moves away from a laugh, a giggle and 'entertainment' and becomes a real election for the most powerful person on the planet then surely the numbers will tumble off him? Surely?? :shock:


Tell you what .. getting scarey now!! :shock:
 
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The thing to realise is that America is a massive place and it is utterly divided – culturally, ethnically and politically. It is a place of startling disparities.

There is the mostly urban America of the east & west coasts with it’s very liberal, outward-looking attitudes, fabulous universities, world-beating technologies, music, movies, artists etc...... this is the US we tend to see most of being wealthy & successful. Solid Democrat territory – although as Bernie Sanders showed a significant number want a more radical alternative.

But then there are the large hinterlands of the mid-west & deep south – deeply conservative on social issues, very religious and with a powerful sense of traditional identity, of family & history. They despise the liberals and feel very threatened – there is ‘old money’ here but their numbers and influence is steadily dwindling and they know it. These God-and-guns ‘tea party’ stalwarts that have virtually hijacked the Republican party.

Then there are the Hispanics & other immigrants whose numbers and confidence are growing and their influence is increasingly being felt. Traditionally they don’t vote much – but that is changing - they mostly favour Democrats although without much enthusiasm and largely because of the Republicans’ image problem.

Then there’s the ‘rust-belt’ & lower-middle/ working poor. These are the real swing voters who don’t really identify with the above - the truck drivers, cabbies, factory workers etc. These are the group that Trump has targeted – appealing to their fears and playing on the distrust of the establishment.

The neo-Con Republicans don’t like Trump and would much prefer one of their own; but their hatred of the liberals is so intense & so bitter that they have held their noses & gambled that Trump can deliver enough of that swing group to stop what they consider is an assault on their way of life. You cannot over-emphasise just how much they HATE Clinton, HATE Obama, HATE the Liberal elite. Can you believe that one candidate actually calling for the other to be "locked up" ?

We thought the EU referendum revealed divisions in this country – but believe me it is several orders of magnitude greater across the pond. When Trump loses – and barring a massive scandal about Hilary (which is admittedly quite feasible) then I’m quite sure he will simply because the numbers are against him – then there are real dangers those divisions in the US will really boil over.
 

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Do you not consider the entire Trump campaign imploding though?

When "senior" Republican stakeholders are bailing out and openly supporting Clinton then surely Trump is in big trouble?

I find it really hard to comprehend that Trump really does believe his own hype! How the flying fid can he stand on a podium and claim that the Khans "savagely attacked him"! Really? In the same "episode", his claim that he has "made sacrifices" is just plain laughable...no it's not, it's pathetic!

Surely to God Middle America can see through this charade? Or are they that desperate?
 
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Is there any truth in the story he was given a Purple Heart at a convention and said he'd always wanted one and that he'd got his the easy way?

Made history as being the first ever politician to have a baby removed from sight rather than pander to it's cries.

If he was in Arabic robes and speaking a language we didn't understand we'd be calling him a hate preacher.

I did like how people have changed his campaign slogan, "Vote Trump, making America hate again".
 
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Ade the green":2zoijm57 said:
If he was in Arabic robes and speaking a language we didn't understand we'd be calling him a hate preacher.
That’s a stonking good point Ade. If Trump was, say, an Egyptian Muslim leader campaigning to be elected their next President & calling for a ban on all Christians & Jews from entering the country and talking about building a massive wall with Israel - he’d be (quite rightly) the number one bogey-man hate figure for the US and the West. You can bet your life our secret services would be tracking every move he made, surreptitious efforts would be made to isolate & undermine him and every effort made to bolster support for the current regime (even if it meant turning a blind eye to their appalling human rights record). Perspective is everything.
 

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Ave_IT":2bczlhe2 said:
The thing to realise is that America is a massive place and it is utterly divided – culturally, ethnically and politically. It is a place of startling disparities.

There is the mostly urban America of the east & west coasts with it’s very liberal, outward-looking attitudes, fabulous universities, world-beating technologies, music, movies, artists etc...... this is the US we tend to see most of being wealthy & successful. Solid Democrat territory – although as Bernie Sanders showed a significant number want a more radical alternative.

But then there are the large hinterlands of the mid-west & deep south – deeply conservative on social issues, very religious and with a powerful sense of traditional identity, of family & history. They despise the liberals and feel very threatened – there is ‘old money’ here but their numbers and influence is steadily dwindling and they know it. These God-and-guns ‘tea party’ stalwarts that have virtually hijacked the Republican party.

Then there are the Hispanics & other immigrants whose numbers and confidence are growing and their influence is increasingly being felt. Traditionally they don’t vote much – but that is changing - they mostly favour Democrats although without much enthusiasm and largely because of the Republicans’ image problem.

Then there’s the ‘rust-belt’ & lower-middle/ working poor. These are the real swing voters who don’t really identify with the above - the truck drivers, cabbies, factory workers etc. These are the group that Trump has targeted – appealing to their fears and playing on the distrust of the establishment.

The neo-Con Republicans don’t like Trump and would much prefer one of their own; but their hatred of the liberals is so intense & so bitter that they have held their noses & gambled that Trump can deliver enough of that swing group to stop what they consider is an assault on their way of life. You cannot over-emphasise just how much they HATE Clinton, HATE Obama, HATE the Liberal elite. Can you believe that one candidate actually calling for the other to be "locked up" ?

We thought the EU referendum revealed divisions in this country – but believe me it is several orders of magnitude greater across the pond. When Trump loses – and barring a massive scandal about Hilary (which is admittedly quite feasible) then I’m quite sure he will simply because the numbers are against him – then there are real dangers those divisions in the US will really boil over.

Very good post :thumbup:. It's a fascinating and terrifying country in equal measure.
 
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Well it looks like the wheels are finally coming off the Trump bandwagon and political gravity is reasserting itself (Praise the Lord!!). Polls are now putting Clinton well ahead – between 9 and 15 points.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36990724

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37029170

After months, years even, spouting ludicrous & obnoxious kak and not just getting away with it but apparently thriving – it seems even the Americans have had enough. Perhaps they have woken up to the fact a Trump Presidency isn’t just a vague idea to shake–up the establishment but a genuine possibility – and a pretty scary one at that.

Unless it’s simply that his latest crazy rants have somehow crossed the line in the complex American national psyche. His disrespect for the muslim parents of an American soldier killed in Iraq went down like a lead balloon in a country where ‘golden star’ families are revered. Then he goes on National television and urges a foreign power (Russia) to commit a cyber-attack on the American intelligence just to embarrass his rival. Now he has gone into positively shockingly dangerous territory – appearing to suggest that gun owners take the law into their own hands to stop Hiliary taking away their right to bear arms.

To be fair he and his campaign are trying to say he meant via the ballot box. But his wording and the context meant even this wet, liberal in England thought he was hinting that someone could/should assassinate her – so in a country with more than its fair share of gun-totting nutters who he positively encourages to chant ‘lock her up’ at his rallies and ignores those calling for her to be put in front of a firing squad........ it comes damn close to incitement to murder.
 
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I read somewhere yesterday about the $billions he is in debt and can only come to the conclusion that he's no businessman but a shyster. Living off reputation and other people's money. Apparently when someone is elected President they have traditionally to sell off their shares in any businesses they have and the money is invested in shadow accounts that the president is unaware of. Signs are that Trump will not follow this tradition as 1) it would mean the extent of his failure is out in the open and 2) he's hoping that as president he can use his influence to increase his portfolio.

"Ask not what you can do for your country but ask what your country can do for you".
 
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Ade the green":2bt66b07 said:
I read somewhere yesterday about the $billions he is in debt and can only come to the conclusion that he's no businessman but a shyster. Living off reputation and other people's money. Apparently when someone is elected President they have traditionally to sell off their shares in any businesses they have and the money is invested in shadow accounts that the president is unaware of. Signs are that Trump will not follow this tradition as 1) it would mean the extent of his failure is out in the open and 2) he's hoping that as president he can use his influence to increase his portfolio.

"Ask not what you can do for your country but ask what your country can do for you".

As conspiracy theories go, that one could go. Plausable.
 

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Been in the US for the past week and there's certainly a sense of despair regarding the campaign. Insults traded daily have left the media disillusioned and saying that "the campaign hasn't just reached the bottom, we're now looking up at it".

Paid advertising also sees Boob for tat on a regular basis, but interesting that the channel I've tuned in to (NBC) seems to have a preference for Clinton which of course you wouldn't (or shouldn't) get in the UK.

Trump seems to shift policy daily as he targets key voting groups, while Clinton tries to keep the moral high ground but can't resist linking Trump to the KKK and other right-wing extremist groups.

Makes me glad of what we have.