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Back on topic: I'm looking forward to my Delta-busting booster jab, should be November hopefully!
 
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Am I missing something..... plan B is masks, distancing and outdoor socialising.

Confirming these things are beneficial - as they're officially sanctioned.

So with hospitalisations and deaths rising we have to wait until things tip to a catastrophic level before doing something.

Truly baffling 🥴👍
 
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Am I missing something..... plan B is masks, distancing and outdoor socialising.

Confirming these things are beneficial - as they're officially sanctioned.

So with hospitalisations and deaths rising we have to wait until things tip to a catastrophic level before doing something.

Truly baffling 🥴👍
We could all do them now if we're overly concerned.
 

Frank Butcher

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Thats not how I read your own stats Frank. We are up there with the most unequal countries in Europe but behind USA of course. Confirms what we already know. Despite being one of the richest countries in the world we have some of the poorest in Europe. Hardly surprising with the gig economy, zero hour contracts, ridiculous housing prices(not even shore if that is factored in). And when people are poor they go to work whether they have the virus or not.
Don’t disagree with much of that BG. However the charts I see do suggest that ‘overall’ we were pretty average (in the EU) back in the late 2010s. Looking at it in more detail, I think we are particularly bad in terms of 1. regional inequality (which makes sense when you consider London City), and 2. The difference between before and after tax which I have to admit I didn’t fully appreciate.
 

Frank Butcher

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Am I missing something..... plan B is masks, distancing and outdoor socialising.

Confirming these things are beneficial - as they're officially sanctioned.

So with hospitalisations and deaths rising we have to wait until things tip to a catastrophic level before doing something.

Truly baffling 🥴👍
Joe - I thought Van Tam went out of his way to say the strategy was exactly the opposite with his tent analogy on vaccine boosters.
 
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Joe - I thought Van Tam went out of his way to say the strategy was exactly the opposite with his tent analogy on vaccine boosters.
Listening to Adam John Ritchie (Oxford Astra Zeneca scientist) this evening - he said there is no evidence of the Covid vaccines waining. He went on to say that a booster may benefit the very very vulnerable by raising the benefit from 95% to 97%.
He said his team are now working on a nasal vaccine which they hope to roll out within a year.
To me, this guy is the first scientist that really knew what he was talking about and didn’t dodge the difficult questions.
 
Dec 27, 2004
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Van Tam's analogy didn't make sense.

You put extra guy-ropes on your tent to prepare for bad weather with vaccinations. Fair enough, but by not adding simple measures you're acknowledging work masks etc, you're allowing the weather to develop to such a stage where they're needed in the first place.

The phrase always was prevention is better than cure.

The strategy seems to be yet more spin to justify the unscientific approach and another spin of the roulette wheel.

All the metrics are ticking up nicely.

I've heard, it will be based on cases, then hospitalisation and then deaths.

All have increased and now the focus has been shifted to 3rd jab.

We don't want any more lockdowns so the removal of simple measures like masks and their increasing politicisation (see HoC) is baffling 🥴
 
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So, given that Van Tam, Whitty and co. are at the forefront of this, what do you mean by an ‘unscientific approach’. Is is that you think they’re offering bad advice, or that they're simply stooges for Boris and co.? I ask only because you keep laying everything at the Government’s door, yet here we are continually watching senior scientific and medical advisers either outline the strategy or at least stand there supporting it.

FWIW I do have sympathy with your position, but we have millions who will gladly sit together at a football match, go down the pub or socialise in other ways. Yes they’re ‘allowed to’ but they do have the power to make their own choices.

PS - that isn’t aimed at you, purely a comment on behaviour in general.
 
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Oh I see it’s all our fault the U.K. is having double the new cases of any European country because of our own choices, I mean why bother with a government at all?

And when the public sees the Health Secretary and the Government not wearing masks in enclosed indoor crowded spaces (some of them even booed) telling the public to wear masks in enclosed indoor spaces , so what, public choice. Who needs clarity and leadership, why not scrap seatbelts and traffic lights ? Public choice is more important.

Unless you want to protest, then we’ll lock you up.
 

Frank Butcher

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Oh I see it’s all our fault the U.K. is having double the new cases of any European country because of our own choices, I mean why bother with a government at all?

And when the public sees the Health Secretary and the Government not wearing masks in enclosed indoor crowded spaces (some of them even booed) telling the public to wear masks in enclosed indoor spaces , so what, public choice. Who needs clarity and leadership, why not scrap seatbelts and traffic lights ? Public choice is more important.

Unless you want to protest, then we’ll lock you up.

Hello Joe - nice to see you.

Oh wait a minute ...
 
Dec 27, 2004
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I do.

The approach seems to be at odds with the scientific and medical officers advice.

Chris Whitty seems to be the most impartial and often looks uncomfortable delivering things presented as medical best practice.

My favourite line ever was Jenny Harries "community testing wouldn't have been appropriate", but later admitting it would have been had the capacity been available.

I have no problem with difficult messages.

Treat us like adults.

"Yes they’re ‘allowed to’ but they do have the power to make their own choices"

This is the fundamental issue - if HMG acknowledge masks work, why scrap them and exacerbate a public health issue?

If I attend a football match, or in a confined/enclosed space I wear a mask as I don't want to risk others health.

The freedom being talked of is the freedom to potentially infect others, while they choose to try not to infect you.

If masks are reintroduced I don't see those who don't wear them now readdopting them.

All we ask for is a bit of maturity and common sense in our elected officials.

Sadly lacking on both fronts for me
 
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Frank Butcher

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I do.

The approach seems to be at odds with the scientific and medical officers advice.

Chris Whitty seems to be the most impartial and often looks uncomfortable delivering things presented as medical best practice.

My favourite line ever was Jenny Harries "community testing wouldn't have been appropriate", but later admitting it would have been had the capacity been available.

I have no problem with difficult messages.

Treat us like adults.

"Yes they’re ‘allowed to’ but they do have the power to make their own choices"

This is the fundamental issue - if HMG acknowledge masks work, why scrap them and exacerbate a public health issue?

If I attend a football match, or in a confined/enclosed space I wear a mask as I don't want to risk others health.

The freedom being talked of is the freedom to potentially infect others, while they choose to try not to infect you.

If masks are reintroduced I don't see those who don't wear them now readdopting them.

All we ask for is a bit of maturity and common sense in our elected officials.

Sadly lacking on both fronts for me

So, firstly I agree with the general gist of your post and your views on masks.

But, I would say two things:

Firstly, I reckon this country is just about divided in two on restrictions versus freedom - various shades but broadly speaking halved. And this has been even more apparent now that many people believe themselves to be invincible once double-jabbed. Added to that I've written on here about first hand experience of people who simply don't care, and that was before vaccination. As we live in a democracy we get to make choices, rather like you I'm not sure those choices should be allowed to put others at risk. But then again, I also think how long can this go on? Is now the time to go for some kind of herd immunity if that is actually possible?

Secondly, having worked with and to the health sector for 26 years, I can assure you that being a medical professional engenders the highest standards of ethics and moral principles - sometimes along with a dose of ego too ;) . I can't imagine any clinician I've come across kowtowing to something or someone they didn't believe in - Prime Minister or no Prime Minister. I am absolutely sure that if Whitty for example didn't believe in what he was saying, he would quit.

The fact that these people are still up there supporting Government briefings can mean only one of two things IMO.
 
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This is the fundamental issue - if HMG acknowledge masks work, why scrap them and exacerbate a public health issue?

Politics. The Govt - well, Boris - is scared s**tless of their back-benches, especially with their more libertarian leaning, so that's why the pretty much crumbled and lifted all restrictions. They talk about applying common sense in using masks, but how many Tory MPs were wearing them in the Commons yesterday when Sajid Javid gave his speech yesterday (as many mask-wearing Labour MPs on the opposite side of the House pointed out)? How many Tories will be wearing masks in the up coming party conference?
 
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