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Ave_IT":76tem952 said:
Anybody see PMQs yesterday? It was toe-curlingly awful even by Boris's standards. He is routinely humiliated by Keir Starmer to such an extent it's painful to watch and makes you (almost) pity him. Starmer has all the icy logic of a top class QC and Boris ends up babbling stuff that is, at best, totally irrelevant and at worst incoherent nonsense....How he must miss Corbyn.

Starmer started by pointing out that three months ago the prime minister had said the test-and-trace system could be a real game-changer for the country. Yesterday he had said the opposite: that test and trace had very little or nothing to do with the spread of transmission of the disease. Both statements couldn’t be correct, so which one was he standing by today?

Boris's response was something about errrrr....human-to-human transmision is the important thing not the t-and-t but errrrr.....t-and-t is vital for our brilliant localised errrrrrrr...t-and-t system..... Eh? WTF is he saying?

Starmer tried again, speaking s-low-ly and using words with fewer syllables but Boris was even more baffled.

So Starmer took a different line reminding him last week he admitted there were problems with t-and-t. Dido Harding (the unelected Tory peer he put in charge of t-and-t) said this was due to a lack of capacity, but the health secretary had said the problem was over demand. Which was it?

Boris didn't even attempt an answer. He huffed and blustered and got very indignant about "unseemly snd unjustified" attacks on saint Dido who is doing a marvellous job and soon will be delivering 500,000 tests a day .....or was it 5 million a minute? who knows? Who cares what b0ll0x this clown says anymore?

Agree with all you say here, although in Johnson’s defence every PM I can remember has used the sixth question to put the boot in knowing there can’t be a response. What I find most annoying is that when extracts from PMQs appear on the BBC news, the need for balance results in it appearing an equal contest when, as you say, every week Starmer is wiping the floor with him.
 
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Pogleswoody":3igpg20j said:
A Coronariddle

As I got to the alehouse gates I met up with five best mates
Each best mate had five mates more That they’d drunk with the night before
Each best mate had made a list of mates free tomorrow to go get ‘merry’.
Best mates and mates and their mate’s mate The numbers soon accumulate.
Excuse my rhymes (I am no Ovid)
But how many ‘mates’ are passing on Covid? :think: :stout:

Tell your mates, there's a good chap, that no one will know lest they download the app.
Though once they do their lives will change as the govt can follow wherever they range :think:
 
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Liam Vercoe":2zxnr2ce said:
Edited: Seeing as how I'm taking my first venture in to the world of talking about politics, if anyone could explain to me what's meant by the left, the centre, the right of the political spectrum, what defines what, and which party is historically where that would be amazing, it confuses the life out of me when people talk about it :doh:

This debate was had on here a few months ago, and lead to some heated exchanges.

There is no short definition, but in general the more right wing politics tends to head towards unfettered capitalism, and in its extremes survival of the fittest, leading to nationalism and beyond.

Left wing politics tends to head towards unfettered socialism and in its extremes state control and curtailment of individual freedoms.

The centre which most balanced individuals would tend to place themselves would believe in a mixed economy that avoids the extremes.
 
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Mike E":35bxt68x said:
Liam Vercoe":35bxt68x said:
Edited: Seeing as how I'm taking my first venture in to the world of talking about politics, if anyone could explain to me what's meant by the left, the centre, the right of the political spectrum, what defines what, and which party is historically where that would be amazing, it confuses the life out of me when people talk about it :doh:

To answer your question Liam.

This debate was had on here a few months ago, and lead to some heated exchanges.

There is no short definition, but in general the more right wing politics tends to head towards unfettered capitalism, and in its extremes, survival of the fittest, leading to nationalism and beyond.

Left wing politics tends to head towards a more caring society, but unfettered socialism, in its extremes, leads to state control and curtailment of individual freedoms.

The centre, which most balanced individuals would tend to place themselves, would believe in a mixed economy that avoids the extremes.
 
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Liam Vercoe":3lvxt4es said:
Edited: Seeing as how I'm taking my first venture in to the world of talking about politics, if anyone could explain to me what's meant by the left, the centre, the right of the political spectrum, what defines what, and which party is historically where that would be amazing, it confuses the life out of me when people talk about it :doh:

I don't know if you've seen it, but this Wiki article explains very simply - and easily - the history behind, and what is generally perceived as, "left" and "right" politics.
 

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Quinny":20ivnacy said:
Liam Vercoe":20ivnacy said:
Edited: Seeing as how I'm taking my first venture in to the world of talking about politics, if anyone could explain to me what's meant by the left, the centre, the right of the political spectrum, what defines what, and which party is historically where that would be amazing, it confuses the life out of me when people talk about it :doh:

I don't know if you've seen it, but this Wiki article explains very simply - and easily - the history behind, and what is generally perceived as, "left" and "right" politics.

Thanks Quinny but I had always assumed that some posters were always right whilst the rest of us were left wondering where they got their facts from? :whistle:
 
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Liam Vercoe":22xn3b7a said:
Edited: Seeing as how I'm taking my first venture in to the world of talking about politics, if anyone could explain to me what's meant by the left, the centre, the right of the political spectrum, what defines what, and which party is historically where that would be amazing, it confuses the life out of me when people talk about it :doh:
Admittedly off-topic but I’ll try that Liam and promise to do my best not to be too partisan about it.

Very broad-brush and obviously it’s a spectrum but I’d say it goes something like this:_

THE LEFT (in UK politics Labour main party)……. People who believe it is the duty of the state to play an important role in peoples’ lives. So they tend to be keen on things like state provision of health, education and a welfare ‘safety net’ for people who fall on hard times/ have disabilities etc. They also believe in creating more equality of wealth and opportunities for people. They also tend to believe it is not just OK but a duty for the government to ‘regulate’ businesses and markets either for moral reasons or to make markets & business work more efficiently to create the wealth that can then be shared. Economically they tend to favour direct taxation proportionate to peoples’ wealth and income rather than indirect taxation on what people buy. Tend to be socially ’liberal’ on things like LGBTQ rights, gender equality, racial equality favouring legislation. Supporters argue they believe in a fair & just society in which inequality is kept to a minimum by sharing the wealth and a country succeeds when opportunity exists for all regardless of class & background. Critics would say they’re bunch of tax-and-spend ‘social engineers’ who stifle competition, resent success & hard work and reward the feckless & lazy and so you actually end up with less wealth for everybody.

THE RIGHT (UK politics Tories main party)…… People who believe the role of the state should be kept to just a necessary a minimum and people should be free to go about their lives as they choose and it is NOT the job of government to interfere. This is particularly true economically where the core belief is that markets should operate freely to encourage competition, which in turn means the most efficient and innovative businesses will prosper to create the wealth. They have a scepticism about the ability of government or bureaucracies to effectively run and manage business or industry preferring private entrepreneurs where the profit motive will encourage a more efficient outcome for everybody. So they are much more sympathetic to things like private schools, private hospitals, private transport systems etc. They believe that people should be rewarded for success to encourage hard work & innovation so are keen to keep direct taxation to a minimum and more likely to raise money through indirect taxation (like VAT). Tend to be socially conservative on things LGBTQ rights, gender rights, race rights – or at least less inclined to favour what they see as heavy-handed legislation. Supporters believe in creating a free and dynamic environment free from bureaucratic meddling which will encourage & reward success, thus creating the wealth that can then be used to provide a safety net for those that deserve help. Critics say they’re defenders of inequality and privilege where the rich continue to prosper and leave behind those less fortunate in a heartless devil-take-the-hindmost society.

THE CENTRE (UK politics Lib-Dems)….. People who basically sit between the two. They believe in free markets and (mostly) against things like nationalised industries but also sympathetic to (mostly) state provision for things like health, education & welfare. Supporters would say it’s sensible balance accepting limitations of government to meddle in business and markets but accepting responsibility to provide the essentials for a just society. Critics would say it’s a half-arsed compromise that fails on both fronts i.e. taxing and spending so stifling markets and wealth creators without actually creating a more equal society or controlling market excesses.

Hope that helps. ;)
 

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Sorry to have taken it off topic guys (I won't quote you all because it will stack up and be half a page I expect), I actually forgot what thread I was in when I posed that question but thank you very much for the explanations and help - it really is very much appreciated, only taken me 27 years to become interested in politics which is a bit embarrassing for me considering it's what runs the country.

Back on topic, this coronavirus thing's a bit crap ain't it.
 
What’s not being reported is the huge increase in food prices around the world because of the virus. I read yesterday that the Cuban delicacy goat pie now costs 35 US dollars a pie, in Haiti it’s up to 45 US dollars, and Antigua is 55 dollars.

So, there you have the Pie Rates of the Caribbean!
 

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mervyn":1g9k4l1m said:
What’s not being reported is the huge increase in food prices around the world because of the virus. I read yesterday that the Cuban delicacy goat pie now costs 35 US dollars a pie, in Haiti it’s up to 45 US dollars, and Antigua is 55 dollars.

So, there you have the Pie Rates of the Caribbean!
Has pogles hacked your account?
 

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MickyD":273qzk2e said:
mervyn":273qzk2e said:
What’s not being reported is the huge increase in food prices around the world because of the virus. I read yesterday that the Cuban delicacy goat pie now costs 35 US dollars a pie, in Haiti it’s up to 45 US dollars, and Antigua is 55 dollars.

So, there you have the Pie Rates of the Caribbean!
Has pogles hacked your account?


No, I couldn't get pasties firewall :whistle:
 

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Pogleswoody":12ht66f9 said:
MickyD":12ht66f9 said:
mervyn":12ht66f9 said:
What’s not being reported is the huge increase in food prices around the world because of the virus. I read yesterday that the Cuban delicacy goat pie now costs 35 US dollars a pie, in Haiti it’s up to 45 US dollars, and Antigua is 55 dollars.

So, there you have the Pie Rates of the Caribbean!
Has pogles hacked your account?


No, I couldn't get pasties firewall :whistle:
Badoom-tish! :greensmile:
 
Interesting article. Trouble is, as Obama said in yesterday’s interview, once truth decay sets in it’s almost impossible to remove, so for some China will never be let off the hook. I have a neighbour who is convinced that Covid doesn’t exist, and that it’s a ruse created to allow the government to have greater control over our lives. If you spoke to him on any other subject he would appear sane and rational. Trouble is these deniers are so off the scale that you can’t even begin to argue with them, so like me probably don’t bother, and so their belief perpetuates.