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"Competent start" by Argyle

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We're doing okay. Our results against the lower ranking sides have been pretty good, it's just that we haven't played enough of them, yet.
 

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Current Top 10 played away (5):
Ipswich, Preston, Leeds, West Brom, Hull - 2 points

Current Top 10 played at home (2):
Middlesbrough, Southampton - 1 point

Current Bottom 10 played away (1):
Birmingham - 0 points

Current Bottom 10 played home (5)
Millwall, Sheffield W, Huddersfield, Norwich, Swansea - 9 points
 
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Current Top 10 played away (5):
Ipswich, Preston, Leeds, West Brom, Hull - 2 points

Current Top 10 played at home (2):
Middlesbrough, Southampton - 1 point

Current Bottom 10 played away (1):
Birmingham - 0 points

Current Bottom 10 played home (5)
Millwall, Sheffield W, Huddersfield, Norwich, Swansea - 9 points
What about Bristol C Blackburn Watford and Stoke?
 
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Current top 8; promotion chasers
H ; Southampton; 0pts
A ; Ipswich Leeds Preston West Brom Hull ;2pts

Middle 8: could go either way
H; Boro Blackburn Norwich Millwall; 7pts
A; Bristol C Watford; 1pt

Bottom 8; Relegation avoiders
H; Swansea Huddersfield Wendies; 6 pts
A; Birmingham; 0 pts

My biggest disappointment so far is losing at home to Swansea and Millwall, both games we dominated for long periods without scoring, and ended up paying the price.
I would cut Schuey more slack than most for the Ashton Gate debacle, we were 2-0 down early on, with what was pretty much a first choice defence, and uphill all the way from there. Even so we missed a glaring opportunity and should have been a goal better off at half time.
I think performance played as much a part as selection
 
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Anyone who has done a stadium tour this season will have seen the 'internal' points target, openly on the home changing room wall is 63 not 52.
 

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Management style at Argyle, under promise and over achieve. 😉
 
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I hope I'm being overly-pessimistic but I don't think it's been a promising start.

There seems a consensus on here that we have been playing well and have been unlucky not to get more points.

I wish I could see it like that. For me, almost every week we are conceding far more chances than we create and have a worrying tendency to spend long periods of most matches pinned in our own third.

When we've won points it's mostly been through a combination of scoring absolute screamers, desperate defending and the opposition missing sitters and/or making bad defensive errors. I don't think that is going to happen enough for us to regularly pick up points, hence we have lost half our games and can't put a string of results together

Unless something changes, I think we will be right in the relegation battle and whether or not we stay up probably depends on whether new managers can turn the teams below us around.
 
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I hope I'm being overly-pessimistic but I don't think it's been a promising start.

There seems a consensus on here that we have been playing well and have been unlucky not to get more points.

I wish I could see it like that. For me, almost every week we are conceding far more chances than we create and have a worrying tendency to spend long periods of most matches pinned in our own third.

When we've won points it's mostly been through a combination of scoring absolute screamers, desperate defending and the opposition missing sitters and/or making bad defensive errors. I don't think that is going to happen enough for us to regularly pick up points, hence we have lost half our games and can't put a string of results together

Unless something changes, I think we will be right in the relegation battle and whether or not we stay up probably depends on whether new managers can turn the teams below us around.
We are very much a work in progress and the first 16 games have been more of a wakeup call than I anticipated. We have played well on occasions but you can see the teams who have spent years in the championship are far more streetwise than we are. We need to learn fast because those clubs below us who have changed their manager could well improve now.
 
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I hope I'm being overly-pessimistic but I don't think it's been a promising start.

There seems a consensus on here that we have been playing well and have been unlucky not to get more points.

I wish I could see it like that. For me, almost every week we are conceding far more chances than we create and have a worrying tendency to spend long periods of most matches pinned in our own third.

When we've won points it's mostly been through a combination of scoring absolute screamers, desperate defending and the opposition missing sitters and/or making bad defensive errors. I don't think that is going to happen enough for us to regularly pick up points, hence we have lost half our games and can't put a string of results together

Unless something changes, I think we will be right in the relegation battle and whether or not we stay up probably depends on whether new managers can turn the teams below us around.
But isn't your fourth paragraph exactly the point?
These are sides that don't defend well and miss chances to score, that's why we beat them and there's enough of them to keep our heads above water. It's just that so far we've played a disproportionate number of the top sides.
 
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But isn't your fourth paragraph exactly the point?
These are sides that don't defend well and miss chances to score, that's why we beat them and there's enough of them to keep our heads above water. It's just that so far we've played a disproportionate number of the top sides.

I don't think you can attribute our record so far to the fixture list. There's only seven teams we haven't yet played and two of them are in the top six. The difficulty level of the games we've played so far is probably marginally higher than average but not enough to skew our points tally or league position, and it isn't going to get noticeably easier.

To put it in pretty stark terms, you can either think that our performances have been better than our results, in which case it's logical to think that results will improve. Or you can think, as I do, that results have largely reflected performances (if anything, I think we've been slightly fortunate to get as many points as we have) in which case we're probably on course for a sub 50 points tally unless we improve.
 
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I don't think you can attribute our record so far to the fixture list. There's only seven teams we haven't yet played and two of them are in the top six. The difficulty level of the games we've played so far is probably marginally higher than average but not enough to skew our points tally or league position, and it isn't going to get noticeably easier.

To put it in pretty stark terms, you can either think that our performances have been better than our results, in which case it's logical to think that results will improve. Or you can think, as I do, that results have largely reflected performances (if anything, I think we've been slightly fortunate to get as many points as we have) in which case we're probably on course for a sub 50 points tally unless we improve.
Given we have a positive goal difference and a very nearly equal Xg for and against I think it is hard to say we deserve to be so low in the table. The game is all about creating chances and scoring goals and preventing them at the other end. We do all that about equally suggesting a mid table performance but without the rub of the green that means we are scoring goals when it counts (which to be fair we had in spades last season)