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BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

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1) no I’m saying footballers taking the knee has nothing to do with BLM politics. You know that too but you pretend it does because you don’t seem to like footballers opposing racism.

2) the players have said they support taking the knee, and you’re right none of them have said they want to defund the police. Because they don’t. Only BLM activists have said that and you pretend that has something to do with the footballers stance because their fight against racism seems to upset you.

3. Zaha and Ferdinand both respect it but want to make their protests in different ways. So you and Priti Patel are as one, and as Tyrone Mings pointed out her dog whistle attack on those taking the knee ended with our black players being racially abused.
 
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But you are purposely and disingenuously conflating footballers taking the knee with the politics of some of the BLM extremists whereas you know (because the footballers have told you) they do not support BLM politics. You are looking for an excuse that isn’t there to get furious about our footballers opposing racism.

As for Patel being bame and elected, so what.
 
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whereas you know (because the footballers have told you) they do not support BLM politics.

No they haven't !
Which Argyle footballers have said that they don't support BLM politics ?

BLM is a political movement with a wider agenda than racism. Even if the footballers don't see it as political, there are members of the public who do. That's why it has to stop. There was another campaign that had nothing to do with politics and that was "kick out racism". Why not support that instead ?
 
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Who are you to tell footballers how they should stand against racism? You’re telling black and white footballers to stop protesting against racism except in a way you approve of. Can’t you see what a part of the problem you are ?

And if members of the public don’t like it that’s their problem. Southgate and the players gave a clear message of what the taking of the knee meant to them and if you choose to pretend it means something else then what is your motivation?

Footballers did and still do support kick it out but if they also want to make another kind of protest they don’t need your permission.

And at some point you have to stop pretending footballers support BLM politics when they’ve told you they don’t . What is it about people fighting against racism that frightens you and upsets you?

Even if it does frighten and upset you it’s 10 seconds of something you don’t even have to look at. Just show a little respect for other human beings.
 
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1) no I’m saying footballers taking the knee has nothing to do with BLM politics. You know that too but you pretend it does because you don’t seem to like footballers opposing racism.

2) the players have said they support taking the knee, and you’re right none of them have said they want to defund the police. Because they don’t. Only BLM activists have said that and you pretend that has something to do with the footballers stance because their fight against racism seems to upset you.

3. Zaha and Ferdinand both respect it but want to make their protests in different ways. So you and Priti Patel are as one, and as Tyrone Mings pointed out her dog whistle attack on those taking the knee ended with our black players being racially abused.

How did her so called dog attack ended with our black players being racially abused? If she didn’t say anything it would probably happen anyway (happened before her so called dog attack). So prior to her so called dog attack, who is to blame for the racist abuse to players before then?
 

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It’s ok do Ferdinand and Zaha to choose not to take the knee and protest in a different way, yet when Gasparogomez suggests a different way of registering protest he is lambasted for it? It would be interesting to know why Ferdinand and Zaha wish to protest in a different way.
 
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Its not a dog attack, it's dog whistle politics, ie when you have a hateful politician (in my opinion) like Patel who likes to foment anger and division, then by her attacking the footballers taking the knee it gives others who don't like footballers speaking out against racism justification to do likewise.

Evidence that this true? Read the previous page where Patel was actually quoted by gaspargomez, as in if an elected Minister / BAME attacks footballers standing against racism then it must be ok for me to do so to.

As for your 2nd point I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Was there racism before Patel spoke about taking the knee? Yes. Who is to blame? Err racists.
 
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It’s ok do Ferdinand and Zaha to choose not to take the knee and protest in a different way, yet when Gasparogomez suggests a different way of registering protest he is lambasted for it? It would be interesting to know why Ferdinand and Zaha wish to protest in a different way.

Ferdinand and Zaha feel other ways of protest may be more effective which is fine, their opinion.

Gaspar said taking the knee "has to stop" , Gaspar telling footballers they can only protest in his approved way is very different from black players wanting to protest in different ways.
 

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There may be more effective ways of protesting, but taking the knee takes a few seconds and shows solidarity to your teammates. If there are those who decide not to take the knee must feel that there’s something wrong with it. If it was simply that they believe there are more effective ways of demonstrating but the knee is ok, they would do both.
 
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There may be more effective ways of protesting, but taking the knee takes a few seconds and shows solidarity to your teammates. If there are those who decide not to take the knee must feel that there’s something wrong with it. If it was simply that they believe there are more effective ways of demonstrating but the knee is ok, they would do both.
Perhaps, but we live in a free country where people can demonstrate in the way they choose, yes I know Patel is legislating to lock people up for 10 years if they're noisy and she doesn't like the look of them.

Footballers can show their opposition to racism in any way they choose, they've told you its not political and all you have to do is not look at them for them for 10 seconds if it really upsets you.
 

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It doesn’t upset me in the slightest. I’m questioning why a black person would refuse to take the knee unless they have some reason to believe that it is wrong. It doesn’t take any effort and doesn’t take up any of their time yet it shows solidarity to their team mates. If you refuse to show solidarity, you obviously have a reason to believe it’s wrong. Saying that they don’t do it because they feel there are better ways to get the message across sounds like a nice easy answer because the real answer would stir things up.
 
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Ferdinand said "Taking the knee was very powerful but we feel that impact has now been diluted."

Zaha said "With taking a knee, sometimes people forget we have to do it. It is becoming something we just do. That is not enough for me."

That's the real answer from them.

Ferdinand isn't a player, so 1 player out of hundreds feels taking the knee isn't enough. Everyone else agrees it is. 60,000 fans and all the players respected it at the Euro final.

I really don't understand what point you are trying to make or what you think is the real answer that would really "stir things up". What is that real answer, I genuinely have no idea, do explain.
 

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Taking the knee has been linked with the political BLM movement. Also, the slogan Black Lives Matter when used by people in a non political way will be linked to the political group because it’s the same three words. If for instance this is the reason why someone decides not to take the knee, it would cause divisions if they came out in the press and said so. It would be much easier and less destructive to the cause to simply say that they believe the knee has become diluted.

Regardless of whether the knee is a political statement or not, it will be seen by some as political because of the words used and the political connections in the past. That is why I feel that Gasparogomez is right that it would be better to use a different slogan and gesture like the kick it out campaign.
 
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Yes but its only been linked to the political movement by people like you. Not by the hundreds of players who say it's not linked to that, or the 60,000 fans at the Euro final. And again its not up to you to decide how black and white players show their solidarity against racism.

Linking the footballers BLM message to the US political movement is a choice you've made even though you've been told by those taking the knee it doesn't exist. Why? The Conservative Party in the US believes in the right to arm, do you link that to the Conservative Party here? The Labour Party in Australia believes in private medicare, do you link that to the Labour Party here?

The question is why do you want to link footballers taking the knee it to the BLM political movement when the players taking the knee say it's nothing to do with it, what motivates you to pretend the 2 are linked?
 
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