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BLM, Taking a knee and THAT symbol of racism

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You stated that I was telling non black people (you) what to think as if you were the victim.
It was a ridiculous statement as I have never told anyone what to think. Having an opinion about something is not the same as telling someone what to think.
Victim of what ?

Do you know my racial make up ?

My opinion is that you are subconsciously racist and see yourself as a "White Saviour" and all non white people as victims of racism that need your "help" to make good the past.
 
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Fair enough if you think racism isn’t a real thing nothing will change your mind .

And BLM should pipe down about Floyd, yes he was one of the black people who are 4 times more likely to be killed by the police than white people , and he had the life squeezed out of him over 9 minutes in broad daylight by a white policeman with his knee on his throat, something which has never happened to a white American, but you think they should stop whinging.

Anyway we’re getting off topic here let’s get back to why you think Mason Mount wants to defund the police?
 
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Victim of what ?

Do you know my racial make up ?

My opinion is that you are subconsciously racist and see yourself as a "White Saviour" and all non white people as victims of racism that need your "help" to make good the past.

Ive heard that so many times, yeah you’re only standing up against racism cos you’re a secret racist. Desperate pathetic and no one believes it, especially you.
 
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Fair enough if you think racism isn’t a real thing nothing will change your mind .

And BLM should pipe down about Floyd, yes he was one of the black people who are 4 times more likely to be killed by the police than white people , and he had the life squeezed out of him over 9 minutes in broad daylight by a white policeman with his knee on his throat, something which has never happened to a white American, but you think they should stop whinging.

Anyway we’re getting off topic here let’s get back to why you think Mason Mount wants to defund the police?
Strange chap. You love the use of the word evidence, but the only thing you use is subjectivity.
 
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Victim of what ?

Do you know my racial make up ?

My opinion is that you are subconsciously racist and see yourself as a "White Saviour" and all non white people as victims of racism that need your "help" to make good the past.

Unbelievable.

This is possibly the most disgusting slur I've seen on pasoti against an individual.
 
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I’ve never called anyone a racist here, that’s a very serious charge particularly in the light of what I’ve said, stand for and and have fought for. It’s not appropriate on this site.
Please apologise and withdraw the allegation.
 
May 16, 2016
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I’ve never called anyone a racist here, that’s a very serious charge particularly in the light of what I’ve said, stand for and and have fought for. It’s not appropriate on this site.
Please apologise and withdraw the allegation.
I apologise and withdraw my comment.
 
Jan 27, 2012
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So (despite saying you aren't against the kick it out campaign: I guess a t shirt is easy to ignore) you don't think football, with its exposure, wealth and popular reach should be a platform to try to promote positive societal change?

The players, the managers have all said that, for them, it's not a political gesture....but apparently some in the stands know the footballers minds even better than they do.

The taking of the knee takes ten seconds before the kick off is taken.
Are you seriously saying that is preventing you from 'concentrating on football'?!

Of course its political.

Amongst other things, BLM have became known for wanting to defund the Police. Do you really support that ?
What about the rioting and vandalism they have previously encouraged? During lockdown as well.

I don‘t feel comfortable with Plymouth Argyle supporting this organisation.
 
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Of course its political.

Amongst other things, BLM have became known for wanting to defund the Police. Do you really support that ?
What about the rioting and vandalism they have previously encouraged? During lockdown as well.

I don‘t feel comfortable with Plymouth Argyle supporting this organisation.
Plymouth Argyle do not support this organisation. They do however support the anti racism message.

The players have told you they do not support defunding the police, or any of the political goals of the wing of the American BLM movement, and as far as I'm aware no one in this country who supports taking the knee supports defunding the police, rioting or vandalism.

The players have told you the act is a non political act in support of anti racism. The whole crowd and both sets of players respected this in the Euro 2020 final.

You either don't believe the players or you don't like people standing against racism.
 
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I think the players, and the clubs they play for, are under considerable peer group pressure to go along with these BLM politics. They dare not say anything against it for fear of being publicly criticised.

Its interesting how these people who claim to have liberal views are some of the most illiberal people if you happen to disagree with their point of view.
 
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I think the players, and the clubs they play for, are under considerable peer group pressure to go along with these BLM politics. They dare not say anything against it for fear of being publicly criticised.

Its interesting how these people who claim to have liberal views are some of the most illiberal people if you happen to disagree with their point of view.

Except for the players and the clubs don't go along with BLM politics. They've specifically told you that time and again. Why would you just make that up?

And 1) I didn't claim to have liberal views, something else you just made up and 2) it's not illiberal to have a different opinion to someone else. Why does someone having a different opinion upset you?
 
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First of all do you know what defund the police means? Its a suggestion to rather put funds into community initiatives, education mental health, youth clubs etc to reduce crime that way, carrot rather than stick. It's not about hugely reducing police numbers and at the same time cutting expenditure elsewhere ie what the tories have done for the last 11 years.

Second, do the players want to defund the police? They say not. And I haven't heard one person personally or in the media say this regarding footballers taking the knee. Unless you think they are all liars then you know it is purely an anti racism message that you can respect or ignore. You know what they are doing and why they are doing it. Why would that upset anyone?

If you don't like the way some black people fight racism that's fine, but don't conflate that with what footballers are doing which everyone understands and respected at the Euros.
 
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First of all do you know what defund the police means? Its a suggestion to rather put funds into community initiatives, education mental health, youth clubs etc to reduce crime that way, carrot rather than stick. It's not about hugely reducing police numbers and at the same time cutting expenditure elsewhere ie what the tories have done for the last 11 years.
So you are saying that BLM is nothing to with politics then ?

Second, do the players want to defund the police? They say not. And I haven't heard one person personally or in the media say this regarding footballers taking the knee. Unless you think they are all liars then you know it is purely an anti racism message that you can respect or ignore. You know what they are doing and why they are doing it. Why would that upset anyone?
I haven't heard any Argyle players talk about the Police. Which Argyle players said that, and when ?


If you don't like the way some black people fight racism that's fine, but don't conflate that with what footballers are doing which everyone understands and respected at the Euros.

Everyone understands and respects?

I didn't.
The Home Secretary didn't.
Les Ferdinand and Wilfried Zaha didn't.

Maybe a good deal of Argyle fans don't either.
 
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1) no I’m saying footballers taking the knee has nothing to do with BLM politics. You know that too but you pretend it does because you don’t seem to like footballers opposing racism.

2) the players have said they support taking the knee, and you’re right none of them have said they want to defund the police. Because they don’t. Only BLM activists have said that and you pretend that has something to do with the footballers stance because their fight against racism seems to upset you.

3. Zaha and Ferdinand both respect it but want to make their protests in different ways. So you and Priti Patel are as one, and as Tyrone Mings pointed out her dog whistle attack on those taking the knee ended with our black players being racially abused.
 
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But you are purposely and disingenuously conflating footballers taking the knee with the politics of some of the BLM extremists whereas you know (because the footballers have told you) they do not support BLM politics. You are looking for an excuse that isn’t there to get furious about our footballers opposing racism.

As for Patel being bame and elected, so what.
 
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whereas you know (because the footballers have told you) they do not support BLM politics.

No they haven't !
Which Argyle footballers have said that they don't support BLM politics ?

BLM is a political movement with a wider agenda than racism. Even if the footballers don't see it as political, there are members of the public who do. That's why it has to stop. There was another campaign that had nothing to do with politics and that was "kick out racism". Why not support that instead ?
 
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Who are you to tell footballers how they should stand against racism? You’re telling black and white footballers to stop protesting against racism except in a way you approve of. Can’t you see what a part of the problem you are ?

And if members of the public don’t like it that’s their problem. Southgate and the players gave a clear message of what the taking of the knee meant to them and if you choose to pretend it means something else then what is your motivation?

Footballers did and still do support kick it out but if they also want to make another kind of protest they don’t need your permission.

And at some point you have to stop pretending footballers support BLM politics when they’ve told you they don’t . What is it about people fighting against racism that frightens you and upsets you?

Even if it does frighten and upset you it’s 10 seconds of something you don’t even have to look at. Just show a little respect for other human beings.