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I watched it until about 0100 last night, exciting stuff.

As Micky has said above, not a patch on Apollo though.

I know it sounds 'flat earth' but the way all the experts are talking now about danger, exposure to radiation etc, it does give the conspiracy theorists a stronger foothold somehow.

Also, I expected comms and videos to be far far in advance of the late 60s and early 70s but as of yet, that doesn't appear the case, which is strange.
But the old "They'd never get through the Van Allen Belts alive" stuff is complete hooey. The belts are extremely attenuated; the astronauts are not in them for very long; and they actively fly a path through the thinnest parts. They also shield the capsules as best they can, based on a very short flight duration.

Similarly cosmic rays: short duration, low risk. Longer future missions: potentially big problems (as I see I wrote about on this thread quite a while back); but water itself is a great shield, so you store water around the outer walls of the vessel and that helps a lot. When you get to the Moon or Mars, you don't build shiny white science fiction habitation structures on the surface; you go underground, ideally using already existing lava tubes, because you want as much insulating dirt between you and the cosmic rays as possible. Sadly, the reality will be so much duller than the thrilling space art we've been producing for a century and more.

Same with temperature extremes: yes, they're huge in and out of the Sun (and that's why spaceships roll slowly to even out the exposure), but space is almost a complete vacuum so individual molecules have almost no effect. Think of sticking your hand into an oven at 250C. It's comfortable (for a while) because the air is so thin (but still enormously denser than space). Touch the metal and you get a very nasty burn because it's so dense and so contains vastly more heat energy.

So space deniers, go do one! (The very polite version.)
 
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find this obscene in the current political climate?
I'm not against space travel as such, although I can't say I ever got that excited about it, even as a kid. Far more important stuff on this planet methinks.
But I guess I'm on the wrong thread, with all you 'space kids' on it!
 
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find this obscene in the current political climate?
I'm not against space travel as such, although I can't say I ever got that excited about it, even as a kid. Far more important stuff on this planet methinks.
But I guess I'm on the wrong thread, with all you 'space kids' on it!
Agreed, it's basically willy waving from the Yanks and sod how much it costs. At least it's going better so far then some of their other recent exploits...
 
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I think space travel is beyond politics, I know it's not, but I have a separate compartment in my head to deal with it.

Completely captivating as it was in 1969 when I first fell in love with it.

One small step...................
 
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Yep, it was insanely expensive. I remember reading that the Shuttle launches cost something close to two billion dollars a time, which was stupidly expensive for a reusable craft trying to get into low-Earth orbit - something like $30,000 per pound of payload. SpaceX can launch into space for "just" around $70million, or $1,200 per pound of payload. And I think that was always the model everyone hoped would take place: that world governments would prove it was possible to get into space (or to the Moon, Mars, etc), but it would be private enterprise who would drive the costs down to make it affordable.
Space X now reportedly going public to raise funds. Could be the most valuable IPO ever. Musk on course to become the first Trillionaire.

It is all bonkers but I am happy to see rockets being launched into space instead of into schools and hospitals. One of the few areas that Russians and Americans actually work together.

Also, always interesting to hear from astronauts of every nationality speak after they have been into space and looked back at Earth, they unanimously say that the silly territorial squabbles we have look so insignificant from space.

There are fascinating documentaries on the initial space race in the late 1960's as both the US and the Soviet Union had several planned launches that were cancelled due to various factors (nothing changes!). The US had far superior equipment as the computer age had taken hold. The Soviets didn't have the technology and hollowed out their re-entry craft to speed up production and give more space for Gagarin as although he was 5 ft 2 there still wasn't space, this lack of technology onboard helped ensure they won the race, to the extent that the re-entry craft couldn't actually land as the first American in space did, Alan Shepherd, remember him?

Gagarin was forced to parachute out at 20,000 feet, land near a farm and use their phone to call mission control to say he was safe.
 
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I think space travel is beyond politics, I know it's not, but I have a separate compartment in my head to deal with it.

Completely captivating as it was in 1969 when I first fell in love with it.

One small step...................
Likewise.

To quote from one of my all-time favourite songs:

Space travel's in my blood
There ain't nothing I can do about it
Long journeys wear me out
But I know I can't live without it
 

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Space X now reportedly going public to raise funds. Could be the most valuable IPO ever. Musk on course to become the first Trillionaire.

It is all bonkers but I am happy to see rockets being launched into space instead of into schools and hospitals. One of the few areas that Russians and Americans actually work together.

Also, always interesting to hear from astronauts of every nationality speak after they have been into space and looked back at Earth, they unanimously say that the silly territorial squabbles we have look so insignificant from space.

There are fascinating documentaries on the initial space race in the late 1960's as both the US and the Soviet Union had several planned launches that were cancelled due to various factors (nothing changes!). The US had far superior equipment as the computer age had taken hold. The Soviets didn't have the technology and hollowed out their re-entry craft to speed up production and give more space for Gagarin as although he was 5 ft 2 there still wasn't space, this lack of technology onboard helped ensure they won the race, to the extent that the re-entry craft couldn't actually land as the first American in space did, Alan Shepherd, remember him?

Gagarin was forced to parachute out at 20,000 feet, land near a farm and use their phone to call mission control to say he was safe.
Yes, the Soviets won pretty much everything but the really big one, and they nearly won that one too.

First satellite: Sputnik
First man in space: Yuri Gagarin
First woman in space: Valentina Tereshkova
First space walk: Alexei Leonov

I remember all that without looking it up. Space travel's in my blood, there ain't nothing I can do about it...

Oh, and then there was the first probe on Venus, the first pictures of the far side of the Moon - and probably others that I actually would need to look up.
 
I wonder if I’m alone in learning something new about the moon only a few weeks ago. We’re all aware of the moon’s gravitational affect on our seas, creating tidal movement, but I never realised that we provided a similar gravitational affect on the moon. Despite being a very large solid rock, the effect of our gravity is to make the moon more egg shaped when it is closer to us. I can’t get my head around all that solidity responding like a rubber ball.
 

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Is it just me, or does anyone else find this obscene in the current political climate?
I'm not against space travel as such, although I can't say I ever got that excited about it, even as a kid. Far more important stuff on this planet methinks.
But I guess I'm on the wrong thread, with all you 'space kids' on it!
Space in for the rich. Bases and such are like a pleb experiment. When the world is burning do you think you'll be on the flight...ultimately? A much worse place than we already live. We live in paradise. Let's care for our planet. The rest of the Solar System is rubbish, and I should know. 😃
 

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I think space travel is beyond politics, I know it's not, but I have a separate compartment in my head to deal with it.

Completely captivating as it was in 1969 when I first fell in love with it.

One small step...................
Space travel is only politics Ian.
 

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Others have observed us for thousands of years. The still do. Not just one race.