Argyle Analysis

[buck197]

I think VAR does work however it’s the time it takes to adjudicate is the problem.

 

[Mark Pedlar]

Who would ever want to be a ref?

People who want to be refs shouldn't be allowed to be.

 

[luxulyanite]

Agree with a lot of the points on here. However, as was stated in the Argyle Analysis, what is lacking is a level of consistency as to what can be clearly defined as "too much". Ralls was sent off against Reading, but the denial of a clear scoring opportunity by Rotherham wasn't punished. A potential stamp by Wiredu or a reaction by Watts were dismissed by the referee, although the elbow to the face by Cardiff was punished.
The point to make is what is it the officials are looking for and what is it that they actually "see"? Would referees be better off with a football "highway code" which is guidance to allow compliance with the Road Traffic Act?
For me, consistency is key.

When was the elbow incident by the Cardiff player punished. I must have missed that

 

[Sun Stonehouse]

Why is that Rugby Union with regards to its Var is far more efficient, quicker and without doubt on every occasion. The idea of sending a referee to the side to "reconsider" is madness. That is surely the duty of the Var officials. Your sitting in the studio with all the angles and none of the on field pressure etc, make the bleddy decision and pass that decision on to the referee!!.

 

[Green7001]

Why is that Rugby Union with regards to its Var is far more efficient, quicker and without doubt on every occasion. The idea of sending a referee to the side to "reconsider" is madness. That is surely the duty of the Var officials. Your sitting in the studio with all the angles and none of the on field pressure etc, make the bleddy decision and pass that decision on to the referee!!.

Agree that rugby 'VAR' seems much more efficient and effective, but in rugby, it is also still the on-field referee who makes the final decision.
Difference is that in rugby, the referee decides after a discussion with the touch judges and 'VAR' official, all of whom are equally-qualified referees in their own right. In football, the ref basically decides on his own.

 

[Green guile]

I have just watched the Argyle Analysis for the Rotherham game and they discussed the 2 incidents we should have had a penalty from, the one where the Rotherham player passed back to his keeper and Bim intercepted and was then pushed over in the box but unfortunately for us the ref gave offside against Bim stating to Tom Cleverley afterwards that the ball bounced off him when he had a clear sight of the player making the pass and then hold his head in his hands as he knew he had made a mistake.

The second penalty incident was where Alex Mitchell was pulled back as he was about to have a tap in and equalise. This was a carbon copy of the incident in the home game with Reading on boxing day where Joe Ralls gave a penalty away and was sent off, once again the ref had a clear view of this and gave nothing,

Once again the ref's in this division are getting worse.

Incident 1. I agree it was a back pass, the defender knew it was a back pass. Therefore not offside. A referee saying otherwise is not facing up to the mistake.

Incident 2. You are spot on about this being a carbon copy of Ralls. However, I blame Arsenal for changing perceptions as the season has progressed. Their antics at corners has changed the game for the worse. I am sure if the pull back on Mitchell had happened at the start of the season a penalty would have resulted, unfortunately Arsenal's antics have detrimentally changed the tolerance levels in this country. Set pieces and corners in particular have become farcical in the premier league. Unfortunately this filters down.

 

[warney]

I think VAR does work however it’s the time it takes to adjudicate is the problem.

The main trouble with VAR is that they seem to have forgotten the "clear and obvious error" bit. Anything that takes more than 60 seconds or so to work out with multiple angles and slo-mos can't be "clear and obvious" by definition so the on-field decision should stand.

 

[Quintrell Green]

I think VAR does work however it’s the time it takes to adjudicate is the problem.

It always baffles me as to the speed a line call at tennis is made as compared to the decision making in an offside situation, where the digital equipment involved is newer in development. Am I being unfair to the referees perched in holy conclave somewhere?

 

[The Doctor]

It always baffles me as to the speed a line call at tennis is made as compared to the decision making in an offside situation, where the digital equipment involved is newer in development. Am I being unfair to the referees perched in holy conclave somewhere?

But in tennis doesn't the electronic ball tracking system automatically make the decision without any human interference. It's basically Hawkeye (or whatever the name of the system is) that makes the call and it's accepted as correct by default.

I'm sure an automatic system could be set up for making offside calls without any human input, but everyone would have to then accept that those decisions were unchallengeable. In effect the definition of offside would be whatever the system's algorithm says it is.

 

[warney]

It's much simpler with Hawkeye in tennis though, as it's tracking a single object against fixed lines and there's no timing aspect.
With offside it must track the ball, track the players closest to the goal line (a constantly changing datum) whilst differentiating between the two teams, and synchronize to the exact time the ball was kicked. All over an area 25 times that of a tennis court!
And to complicate matters further, unlike a tennis court football pitches aren't all the same size.
I'm sure a fully automated system is possible for football, as has been demonstrated, but it is vastly more complex than Hawkeye in tennis.

But I don't see a problem with accepting the decision as final as that's what happens with VAR regardless of how poor the decision!

 

[GreenEden]

Incident 1. I agree it was a back pass, the defender knew it was a back pass. Therefore not offside. A referee saying otherwise is not facing up to the mistake.

Incident 2. You are spot on about this being a carbon copy of Ralls. However, I blame Arsenal for changing perceptions as the season has progressed. Their antics at corners has changed the game for the worse. I am sure if the pull back on Mitchell had happened at the start of the season a penalty would have resulted, unfortunately Arsenal's antics have detrimentally changed the tolerance levels in this country. Set pieces and corners in particular have become farcical in the premier league. Unfortunately this filters down.

I think that Mitchell would give away quite a few penalties himself if this was stamped upon tbh so what goes around comes around. Argyle are known as the team with the worst disciplinary record in league 1 so I am sure many opposition managers and fans would call us out on some of the decisions we have go for us. Admittedly we do seem to have more against us but not sure if that's my green tints